Dear MNHQ, I didn't see all the problems kick off over poor Revjustabout...

i would really, really like to know who thought she was the offical MN vicar. I mean really.

badarsemartha don't you start bringing hygeine after weeing into it...which i know should le tme know who you were but i can't remember!!!

it wasn't really about doubting rev Justine, it was about the rather unpleasant attack whilst doing it,particularly about her relatives lost in the Holocaust. Really distasteful.

Not arguing for banning, but making a distinction.

tortoise, i just don't get that she was the official mn vicar, though. if someone posts with the name MNHQ, they're official. if not, they're not.

Aitch i was so over Moldies until that Israel thread turned weird for Rev. It was all so odd.

Onebat - it's not irrelevant. It's an experience which showed me, graphically and tragically, how someone can be terribly emotionally vulnerable, and in an instant can be pushed over the edge by an external or internal influence. And if there was someone on MN taking a role of a 'MN vicar', especially if they weren't qualified, then they could find themselves being the cause of that and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

And MNHQ have said they don't want an official 'MN vicar'. Which they are treating as a separate issue entirely.

SGB has summed up the RW topic very well. It is about reflection, from people from varying postions of belief, non belief, different religions, etc.

And why does it mean MN endorses it if it is in your posting title? Don't get that at all.

"The thing is Aitch, I have noted a couple of things about moldies and have been right each time. I noted that there was a secret forum where people were getting together to launch attacks on to threads on Mumsnet they disapproved off - oops I was right they were all moldies and they did have a secret forum. I also noted on that thread I just linked to that the Rev was getting it in the neck - a few weeks down the line she is getting hounded on insulted on here as a troll and those people doing it have been so successful they've got her to change her name, courtesy of Mumsnet.

these are assertions on your part. you're not right in my eyes.

"The thing is Aitch, I have noted a couple of things about moldies and have been right each time. I noted that there was a secret forum where people were getting together to launch attacks on to threads on Mumsnet they disapproved off - oops I was right they were all moldies and they did have a secret forum. I also noted on that thread I just linked to that the Rev was getting it in the neck - a few weeks down the line she is getting hounded on insulted on here as a troll and those people doing it have been so successful they've got her to change her name, courtesy of Mumsnet.

these are assertions on your part. you're not right in my eyes.

I think there's an element of it Aitch ... a few of the moldies who attacked en masse but it is a leap to suggest that it's moldie policy. Depending on how hurt you are by the existence of moldies, you might be more willing or less willing to make that leap.

For myself, I think that there is coordination amongst some moldies, but there's no evidence that I can see that there is a moldies-wide strategy - if there is, then there are a lot of names "missing" from the threads where attacks have taken place.

That leaves me to think most of the missing posters would are either a) quietly and privately shocked, b) unaware or c) quiet and complicit. I have no evidence to suggest that it's c), and that would be the bit where someone could criticise.

What would be the reaction if some of the "big" moldies came on to this thread? Would they get an entirely fair hearing?

hear hear scummy

it was actually seeing dittany's name and her post about vendettas that made me post that, onebat, not so much yourself. but i do think that the names are all the same. meh, including mine, though... so... [pot] [kettle]

Justine, that is EXACTLY what you have NOT done. YOu have made the victim adjust their presentation of themselves. YOu have not sanctioned, or threatened to sanction, those who launched a concerted and unjust attack upon the victim.

Just my opinion, Kay. I think it's fine for reluctant worshippers to have a thread to reluctantly worship together. Or for vegetable fans have a thread to plan veg outs together. Or baby led weaners to have a thread to advocate banning mushy foodstuffs for infants together. And enthusistic articulate folk on those threads will clearly be liked and respected and seen as leaders in that area, just as justabout is. Twas ever thus. But when it becomes an official extention of somebody's work to the extent that a thread becomes someone's ministry it has very probably all gone too far, imo.

surely it's not a matter of "wrong" spiritual advice (you could debate that until the cows literally come home) but being a "MN-endorsed Rev" by virtue of her title? (which presumably MN doesn't want, even if they could interview/appoint one)

Justine, but am I right in thinking that she will be allowed to post as before? I'm not sure that I saw her giving spiritual advice, but we probably have very different theology and no-one has ever accused me of being a wooly liberal.

So she will still be "giving spiritual advice" (if we assume she was in the first place), you have now taken the rare step of publicly confirming her qualification, but you would like her to be stripped of her Rev in case it gets confused with the people who have Mumsnet in their name or MNHQ after it? If you are more worried about wrong spiritual advice than legal advice then this strikes me as a not very bright move? Surely the issue is more about the potentially harmful advice than the title of the person giving it (esp in this instance where you yourself have confirmed the qualification of the poster). Had you not confirmed the qualification, then I could understand you asking for the namechange. If you were worried that people would be falsely led by her spiritually then changing the name stops that how?

What about other people giving spiritual advice - have you checked StGeorge's qualifications as a fully qualified pagan (or whichever paricular belief that she holds - sorry StG if I have it wrong)?

Are you talking about me, Aitch? I am one of the 'same names', but my presence on this thread is because I've been appalled by the three Moldies' behaviour, and very disappointed with MNHQ's response. Not because of the existence of MOldies.

i genuinely have no way of knowing for sure, but i can't think that they'd approve, really i can't.

Justine - I kind of understand that. But my gut feeling is that they were just trying to get at her because she is popular and was anti-mouldy

And it does make it look like rev was the one who was being made to compromise. I am hoping that the abusers on that thread were given a warning at least. The way they went about raising their concerns was not on

am PMSL at PPH and her "legendary" troll finding skills though.