If you (still) feel the need to discuss Moldies, please do it here so folks can hide this if they want to.

Ah. x-post with wonk. That's not very nice then is it. Really.

Is there anything anyone can say that will make this better?

vvv. i have not 'called anyone into question' simply stated fact. there are many posters who have been supported by myself and many many others. over the 5 years i have been a member i have done what i could, when, how and if - without reservation or question. For some posters to now not post on a select THREAD but a select FORUM leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

One of the things about mn is that people would post and ANYone could choose to respond, or not. a splinter group such as moldies is much more EXclusive than INclusive. it has the effect of being at least in part about who to leave out as who to leave in.

that is my point.

OK. Found something. Not clear on who gets to send out the initial invites though. Process sounds like one of those gentlemen's clubs we've been laughing at all these years. Blackballing and all that. How very - retro

TFM - names are put forward and decided on without the nominee being aware. Or at least, that's how it was done until fairly recently.

i clearly misunderstood vvq. sorry.

are you called lone?
i'm directing q at lone

so no need for you to answer me c

who me?

i have no idea what your talking about

lone - m entioned the more "heavily su;p;ported" mners. why did you mnention them?

am loggn off so wnot read for a wile

F&Z i think the technical term is "shit it"

tfm - i hpe you dont mind but i dont really want to go over it again. if you do a searh oon invites imsure you'll find. and, tbh, im aboiut to log off as typing is gettng worse so need to rest up

my posts have not called anyone into question. for me the main issue is about the selective nature of the process. why would you suggest that my response implies that any support given may have been conditional. i did what i did, freely, openly and honestky. the same cannot be said of moldies.

i can accept that the fallout of moldies was clear unforseen and the hurt unintentional, but it still hurts - a lot of people and to minimise people's feelings, frankly rubs salt into the wound.

for the tenth time have not read thread
i have been pondering
i have come to conclusion that if i did not disagree with quite a few of the people i expected to find on moldies so much, then i might have been more tempted to join
so am chagrinned to admit i think i did the right thing by accident
i can see if i thought all my mates were on there that i might have accepted invite

anyway i am just sorry now to see friends who were on there and are distressed by aggro and hurt this has caused
it still makes me angry that all this came about
but i feel lots of people who were / are on there are kind of - what do you call it - when people get injured by their own bombs?

VV, i dont understand what you ae trying to say.

You are sorry if people are upset - but continue to be part of the thing that upsets them

i dont understand the next part

Can I just ask a question VVV? To be nosey?

The selection process - are names suggested and then voted on? Do the people in question know/agree to the process? I mean, is it like putting yourself up for a club? Or is the decision to invite or not made before the person is aware IYSWIM.

Apologies if this is a re-hash. I was away over the weekend when the self-destruct button was pushed...

peeing and pooing fine. no apparent p[ain.
i may help them to get him to a vet.

i dont think i'll ever understand why mners who have been haeavily supported (whomever they meay be) should be called into question at all. everything esle aside. what's teh point in guilttripping poeple over the bad things they've gone through. if your support is conditinoal dont give it. that's just outright nasty and nothing to do with this.

i get why folk are upste, really really do. have apologised too. but if all these upset folk are genuinely upset, sensitvie folk, then surely they'd understnad nad not feel the need to make jibeds at those less fortunate to make a pont about hurt feelings. the issue is over invites/exlcusion/elitism - or so yhouve maintinaed

hey if you don't understand why some of us feel the way we do despite the many threads an explainations ..you don't understand!

I clearly don't understand how you don't understand.

VVV, that was not what i said. I said that it FEELS like i have outlived my usefulness in some ways. I strongly object to potentially being part of a process that other posters decide ya or nay to others' inclusion. That same process was NOT in place to determine who helped whom and what support/help was given/accepted.

When I have given money and gifts NOBODY, i suspect, subjected me to such a process to decide whether it would be acceptable or not... or i may be wrong?

and there's no charge- financial or emotional for that advice

Won't be able to do much- can't splint a tail as it will be too heavy.

I suppose the problem is pain control at this stage. pain relief is hard in cats anyway as they are particularly sensitive to non-steroidals... so don't medicate at home..
Can't believe I'm saying ot again- i've said it loads on here over the years- NO PARACETAMOL for cats.. and no aspirin etc.

If kitten is peeing and pooing ok then I wouldn't worry too much.
But if there is any probs there then best to gett seen soon as poss.
If the tail is very damaged then it may not return to fucntion- and will get shut in doors and stuff so may need amputating.

This is assuming it is a break withiut a wound/bite wound
if there is any infection due to bites or broken skin then it will need seeing by a vet as will prob need antibiotics.

Are they on benefits yet?
If local to you then they could try charities- RSPCA not far from you and blue cross in victoria will help if they are on means tested benefits.

but, if they movement in tail is lost - does it have to b apmuteated?

i don't get that 'point' because of some of us never left MN.

"
i alluded to the points Kerrymum made on the other thread and i am sorry that people who have been heavily supported by mn posters have decided that they dont need some of us anymore. i know that hasnt been said explicitly, but thats what it feels like."

i'm sorr ybut i object to that under any circusmtances. i dont see why any poster who has been supposted here should feel beholden to them on that basis. if i offer suport or advice or whatever, i dont expect someone to be forever gateful. in fact if they becme srong enough to move on and not need suport any more then i thin k 'fantastic - job done'.

VVVQV - they may amputate the tail, depending on the break.