If you (still) feel the need to discuss Moldies, please do it here so folks can hide this if they want to.

I don't need to prove myself as a non-troll to anyone! I'm me! I'm telling you I'm not a troll and that should be enough! Unlike the moldies club, MN is supposed to let people be themselves, and come here for parenting advice, not bitching and bullying.

Yes that's a bit much . Has no bearing whatsoever I think.

You can choose to move on you know? I sorta understand why I was lefta side; fr4om what I can guess a lot of the Moldies are thes tyle sorta chaps. Well I have my odd foray there but not often; then the widows I can understand although I was a bit sad that taking refuge from the numpties meant I was also left aside- but again, i totally understand.

OTOH I think most poeple know me and I'd suspect you'd have to be ahrd to understand why i wouldn't be hurt, at least.

And that's where it has to end. I can waste time getting into fights or register a big at it all and move onwards.

If there are any specific reasons I wasnt chosen- if I have upset anyone in the past or anything then I would like to know so I can rectify it.

Also there are many posters I would hate to never speak to again and I guess I am worried they will Moldie-Off - Misdee, MB, Aitch, Dino, and a great many others I can't be arsed to list but will have had chats with me in the past. I'd hate them to vanish off my radar.

So if I upset anyone the other day I apologise. I did make a specific effort to excplain why I was feeling vulnerable at that time but I am not proud of myself for one or two posts. OTOH I know I can come over a bit puritanish at times so maybe a touch of human failing was needed .

i'm now in e-mail touch with one moldie I got on with for ages which is fab, and I hope that if any others I 'know' eave MN they will email me too from time to time.

Piffle, i knew that another group existed, i thought it was the one STg set up. I Didn't know that there was a group, that friends were part of, that i had been 'nominated' for and declined - i knew nothing of it.

INfact i only found out the latter ( for sure, i knew already) this very day.

It does however surprise me, that considering it happened - that certain people want to talk to me IRL, respect me IRL? ( certainly enough to talk about some deep issues)

yet want to be part of a forum that operates like this?

its black and white for me, maybe its shades of grey for other people - maybe its my northern upbringing that makes it so cut and dried? maybe its becuase i am provincial and not a city gal - becuase i think its fickle in a way others don't. i truly don't know.

but if online friendships are as valuable to those people who imply them to be, then how can one be friends in a bar, knowing that the friend you are talking to is excluded from the club you are a part of?

i can't get my head around it piffle.

lockets, it was meant to be a secret, it was a badly kept one. I think it was Aitch ( sorry if it wasn't) who corrected posters on another one of these threads who said it wasn't- and she said that there was an incident where people on Moldies, were refering to posts on MN about the not-yet- really- kinda - talked - about - not known - for - sure group. with "phew that was a close shave" ( or something similar)

another post i read was from a member saying that her only regret was that she couldnt invite some of her MN friends.

there is an 'i didn't know m'lud' defence, and only the very brave (OMB, MP...is there anyone else?) have deregged from that site when they found out how things operated.

Others now know this and remain.

that says enough for me.

D'you know what? This is really pissing me off right now.

Mumsnet has been made to look like it's dominated by swearing, airheaded, middle class mothers in The Independent with nowt better to do than stomp around in their Boden jeans having a tant about a group of anonymous posters on a parenting site.

I'm sure that for the Moldie members it must be lovely to be able to discuss personal things in private and confidence without some name changing troll pissing all over your posts. It must be lovely to disclose your thoughts and problems with like-minded friends without worrying about it being taken the wrong way or having those dreaded Mumsnetters that you don't like, daring to come onto your thread.

As a lot of us who have been on Mumsnet for many years, it does hurt to have people name-changing to make personal and very hurtful attacks on you, which I presume never happens on Moldies.

So may I make a suggestion? Instead of bickering like the loons The Independent clearly think we are, how about we make Mumsnet even better? A site we can be proud of and feel safe posting on?

MNHQ - is there any way that name-changers who do so to personally attack other posters, can have a stiffer punishment? Perhaps banning from the site with no warning? Is there any way we can make Mumsnet a nicer, safer place to post?

Because right now, all we seem to be doing is giving the Moldies justification for the existance of their site.

I'm sure we'd all like to be able to post without fear of being personally attacked or having our real life covers blown. So why don't we work towards that this New Year? Because if I wanted to join Mumsnet right now for some support and advice, I'd be really put off.

And isn't that what Mumsnet is for? For people who are struggling, who need a bit of support and advice? Who can liaise in confidence with other parents and share experiences, problems and achievements? If I wanted a little forum to just talk to friends I can set one up, but I joined Mumsnet to get help and advice and to offer some where I could. I still get a kick out of feeling that my post has really helped, that my contribution has been worth something to someone. And whenever I have an issue, Mumsnet is one of the first places I turn to for advice and support.

Let's keep it that way shall we?

Who's with me on this one?

I couldn't possibly comment NMC, but recommend you bring a change of clothing for you & DD

That's bollocks actually. Stop having histrionics and provide some solid facts and I'm sure people won't scream troll.

what are plastics?

dont think we had those at my school

we jsut had skinheads and hippies, christians and sporty people

Oh my God, we're screaming troll for the millionth time in 2008. Why am I not surprised. Maybe THAT's why MN is going to the dogs.

Northern- when is anyone of a new name EVER taken seriously on here? Everyone has to prove themselves and arse suck for a good few months before anyone else will even consider listening.

How is your dd NMC - did the doc show?

I wanna go to the next Xmas meet. Couldn't make this one cos of dd and her hospital habit
Will there be a food fight?

That told me!

Look - if you make inflammatory statements when you've only been using a name for two days then people are going to think that you're being a pain in the backside. You may wish to reconsider that position if you want people to take your views seriously.

Just have a sausage. Anybody. Or a brazil nut. Or the last tree chocolate. Or a cup of tea. Or coffee. Please.

Can I say that I suspect Mumofbaby to be a troll here and now?

MumofBaby - your posting history only shows a few posts.
So either you have namechanged in order to be extremely unkind, or you are a new poster who appears to bear a nasty grudge against people you don't even know.
Odd behaviour, either way.
I have been watching these threads intermittently, with increasing amounts of sadness and horror. I've refrained from posting up to now, as they are merely going round in circles, but for anyone to make the statement "Are people like that even fit to be mothers?" is disgusting, and cannot pass unchallenged.

I think at the next meet up, Moldies will be placed on a central raised, revolving stage. Mumsnetters will be permitted to wave at them.

2 years and no you may not ask my previous names- I only tell people I like. Then I send out invitations for them all to come round for a tea party. I'm petty like that.

waves at Squiffy

I've got a date with the cooker and my kids dinner...
this thread is too big for my ipod to cope with now so
HOORAY

mumofbaby - for someone who wasn't interested in this a few hours agao that's quite an inflammatory statement to be making. May I ask how long you've been posting on mumsnet and what your prevous name was?

But mumofbaby, I don't think chucking round insults will help, will it? It is that kind of stuff that makes many people frustrated with MN in the first place.

I heard about the moldies at the London xmas party and know some of the people who have been invited to join in RL. I was never asked to join (I only really post lots on about 3 boards and am severely lacking in the 'Wit dept', so no surprise there) but so what? I can't force people to be my friends either in RL or in the Ether. Doesn't mean I begrudge them for being friends with each other, I mean what's the point in that? If they run the thing fairly and well it will probably be succesful; if not it will probably implode, it doesn't add up to more than a hill of beans really, does it? Life's too short. Go live it, what's the point in sniping?

[grabs piffle by the hair and drags her away]

AS if making wild and inaccuarate assumptions and generalisations based on allegations on an internet forum by people you've never met and levelled at another group of internet people you've never met puts you in mother of the year head girl role
FWIW
I am a Fucking excellent mother
Crap cleaner though

Pooka, yes it is more or less the same as add insult to injury! (and yes, I got dd's flu. It's bad !!!!)