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I agree with expat. Even came on to snigger at Oakley.

There are threads on here where people have got the hump because a wheelchair user dared to ask them to fold their pram, so I suspect the rule has been brought in because of those sorts of refusals.

Of course us companies should communicate the new rule better though.

I used to use the no. 22 and then walk down Constitution Street to our place.

DH used to joke, 'Why do they need a tram? They've already got the no. 22.'

I just asked MIL, what did you do with the bairns (she had two 16 months apart and then adopted SIL when her elder son was 6) on the bus before you could get the buggy on (they had no car until about 1997)?

She said, 'I walked. You lot are soft, the supermarket used to close around 6.'

22s should be double decker. Cannot fathom why they are not.

half the time it's bad enough trying to get onto the no22 just by yourself, never mind with a buggy or pram! 5 no22's kept driving past the stop one day as they were so full. I don't live in edinburgh - but we have to use the 22 to get to meetings rather than use taxi's

Goddamit expat!

Or be lazy like me, and just wait for the next bus if there's no room. Obv if I'm in a hurry I would suck it up and get folding, but otherwise, I figure waiting around for a bus with space is a reasonable price to pay for DS being comfy in the Buzz where he can sleep properly, and which has room for me to stash the shopping underneath.

i was thinking of buying this pram.

Before I get arse flamed outta here......why do people struggle on a bus with lots of children and shopping?

expat, I have thick skin that I fold on over the other stuff. And when it gets too hot, I just walk with an enigmatic smile like this

I don't want to sound like my granny, but what did people do before buses could even slip down to the kerb?

Pick up thy child and walk!

I think it's reasonable to ban prams that can't be folded. I use buses everyday and unfortunately only 1 in about 6 buses on my route are low floor. I've seen bus drivers let people on double deckers with huge stupid prams get on, totally blocking the aisle.

I have a dd (4) and a ds (1) and it's not easy to get on a bus with shopping plus folded puschair plus baby plus child, but it's doable with a bit of sweating.

Aren't people getting a bit het up over not much? Most people I see with kids on Embra buses are using foldable buggies anyway - prams are a tiny minority. I usually use a Buzz, which doesn't fold easily, and DS cannot stand unsupported yet; but I am quite happy to get off the bus if need be, or wait and get the next one if there's no room for us. Happens all the time. My second trip out ever with DS, I had to get off for a wheelchair user - no probs.

I am more worried about the fact they're apparently cutting back on certain LRT bus routes ... but that's another story.

this already happens in glasgow. if there's no room for an unfoldable buggy you just have to wait for the next bus. because there's No Room.

frumpy, you'd better run before the flames get too high!

I personally think buggies and prams need banned. I HATE THEM ALL INCLUDING MY OWN

I meant taking shopping on buses, not shopping on buses.

I live in Edinburgh. I have DD (7.5) and DTs (4). I get my big shop delivered by Tesco (£5 is worth losing the stress of shopping on buses with kids and buggies/prams). I never, ever, ever, ever took my buggy on a bus - way too much hassle. I took a sling, or i carried my baby or I walked with DD and DT in buggy and other DT in sling. I took company with me if I had to take everyone on the bus.

There is always a way. Edinburgh is not that big. Our bus service is magic but, for me, buggies/prams and buses don't go.

What you really need is someone official on the bus who can help.
Not the driver obviously, but someone else. Oh wait, we had that once didn't we - the conductor.

No, nowhere did I ever suggest that.

It's a ban on traditional prams, not foldable buggies. Those can get on - provided there's no other buggy on already - and will only be asked to fold down and move if a chair user gets on.

That sounds reasonable to me.

i agree with expat. some prams really are huge and they do get in the way.

No, it isn't a taxi.

But are you really suggesting that people with children should have to use a taxi if they want to get somewhere in good time when there is a perfectly good bus service for everyone except those unlucky enough to have spawned?

The assumption is that parents with kids have nothing better to do than wait about for public transport.

Firepile doesn't live in Embra, Miaou doesn't, Sobernow doesn't, but becuase I don't agree with you, I get told off?

Okay.

Oh, here you go again, robin. Uriel doesn't live in Edinburgh, either. Why not target her, too.

Cuz this is getting old.

Fire, I've had to wait for another bus more times than I can count because there was another buggy on it and I was on my own and couldn't fold it down.

Yes, I think that's entirely reasonable that I either fold it down or wait for another bus.

It's not a taxi, it's a bus.