Can we have a Wanker's Corner?

On the subject of singing and personality (re Gwendolen's contrast with Miss Arrowpoint) I've just remembered a weird short novel I read years ago by the American James Cain. It's called Mildred Pierce, and it figures a completely vile, monsterous, manipulative woman who eventually becomes very successful as a coloratura(sp) singer. The point seems to be that being vile and singing coloratura are somehow linked. Very odd. Is it true I wonder.

Thank you, Threadwworm. Hope your work is going well.

Iorek, I like your post of Tue 09-Sep-08 10:51:43 on the imaginary friend thread. And I would like to expand some time on the god as ego-ideal thing, despite my growing nervousness about public wankery. Not now, because I should be working, but sometime.

I would love a discussion of Socrates and the paradox of self-deception. Were we having one?

As far as insults go, I can take "geek's", "boring" and quite happily on the chin, but Judas is a little on the harsh side. Especially delivered in the third person.

I didn't mean for a little light crowing to turn into a discussion on Socrates and the paradox of self-deception.

I don't think this thread is any more cliquey than the BAAAAAARRRRR or the veggers' threads (for example). Everyone is truly welcome to join in - or not. And posters are welcome to post insults and complaints. I don't take it seriously and assume others don't. I couldn't be intellectually intimidating even if I wanted to be.

Well I'm not actually proud of it, obviously. But it all seemed harmless enough once...

Ah yes, 'What cock!' makes more sense than 'What cock?' I don't think the Bible specifies the cock in question.

Oh dear. I didn't mean it. I'm sure Swedes didn't either. You are a self-acknowledged wanker and rightly proud of it.

That should of course read

What cock!

What cock? I have never denied being a wanker on here. (Can you tell I'm still cross?)

Don't fret Iorek. You are not a Judas. Swedes is picking us all off one by one with her erudite insults -- You are called a Judas; I am accused of vainglorious gula superbia, and Onebat is an overanalysing wanker.

Anyway it would be more accurate to call you a Peter, who thrice denied being a wanker before the cock crowed.

And anyway, how could I possibly distance myself from the thread in the eyes of the posters who wandered in to scoff after the pubs closed, when it was my wank that inspired all their inappropriately apostrophised scorn in the first place.

(Am I making this worse?)

Aaarggh!!! Swedes you are a beast. I'm not Judas and I'm not distancing myself from the thread. I did say to onebat it would end in tears. It didn't occur to me that in saying childishly "I told you so" that I would be laying all the blame of geekdom on her. I wasn't.

I wish someone had warned me about not wanking after midnight.

Instead of 3 Hail Marys, Mumsnet sends you to Style and Beauty with a naked (but for your knickers and bra photo) on your profile.

There is something deeply Judas about Iorek's desire to distance herself from this thread. Policywonk sprayed and still Iorek betrayed. Which brings us neatly back to the free-will discussion. If Jesus foresaw the betrayal of Judas, was there any exercise of free-will on the part of Judas? Was Judas morally responsible for his betrayal? We are also back to Aquinas' Summa Theologica?

Fark.

I said to onebat when she started this thread it would end in tears.

Did I just get sand kicked in my eyes there?

Threadwworm you are right. Not only could be but is. Punishments a bit more severe on AIBU though.

But it doesn't need to be a priest, does it Iorek. Could be a random MNer, etc.

IB, you left the fucking door unlocked AGAIN

geek's together in a special place- smashing.then those of us who have a life can avoid you.studiously

god forbid that your cerebral musings be interrupted or misinterpreted by hoi polloi christ anyone would think one wanted a debate!?hell cant have any of these fancy democratic speak your mind malarkey thingies

BOOOOOOOORING

I think you need the priest. The "punishments" in any case are a formality (is it not invariably 3 Hail Marys?). It's the telling of the sins that's the important thing (much like therapy), and you need a person for that.

Threadwworm I am very interested in talking about free will and belief, particularly as I'm not entirely sure that I believe in free will, except as a sort of illusion created as a by-product of consciousness. I'm also interested in this idea of God as ego-ideal - please expand.

Don't give up thready. I'm still waiting for the info to trickle down to my brain stump . Probably won't happen tonight - well not after I've drunk the rest of this wine anyway. But I will come back to it. And if that sounds mildly threatening... it's meant to.

Sorry. too wanky even for wankers' corner. And too condensed. Much. Genuinely interested in talking about this and free will/belief if anyone else interested but otherwise will lay off for fear of spoiling this very funny thread.

Well, but there are plenty of protestants who almost deify the relationship between a Christian and his or her conscience -- no medium. That is scary. I'd almost rather have a plump daft priest setting out my punishments than leave it to my quite fearsome hellfire and brimstone conscience.

It would be better (kinder to self)if we could have god-as-ego-ideal rather than god-as-super-ego. Super ego being conscience, and ego ideal being the re-acquisition of the good self a la Daniel Deronda