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what on earht are you all doing wih tis suiceide stuff

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FluffyMummy123 · 30/05/2008 16:01

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foxinsocks · 30/05/2008 22:10

I like the fact that people have different opinions thinkstoomuch - it's what makes mumsnet the place it is. And as I said, I'm sorry if my opinion offends people and it's why I never post on those threads.

I just think mumsnet HQ needs to have a think about how to deal with these sort of threads, that's all. I don't know the best way and I'm really not sure any of us are qualified to say what the best way might be but I've said what I think and I HAVE listened to other people and been interested in what they've said, even if it may not appear so.

berolina · 30/05/2008 22:09

(doing this = having a closed chat. gah)

berolina · 30/05/2008 22:09

(Clarification: I was not saying Marina's idea about the Samaritans doing this was a bad idea - on the contrary -, rather that it would for various reasons be a bad idea to have this sort of facility on MN.)

Divastrop · 30/05/2008 22:09

have (finally) read this thread and i find the idea of a 'proffesional' being your fist port of call when you are feeling suicidal laughable.

i know there are excellent MH services in some parts of the UK,but in others there is nothing.i didnt even see a duty psychiatrist or MH nurse when i had attempted suicide and been rushed to A+E(a few years ago).and i have heard many horror stories about others in crisis trying to get help where i live

some of the posts on this thread are awful.

expatinscotland · 30/05/2008 22:09

it's time to step away if you start making personal attacks, Thinks.

seriously.

you've construed FIS's posts one way, and made that clear.

others have stated they did not construe her posts in a similar fashion.

foxinsocks · 30/05/2008 22:08

says the person who has posted nothing on this thread but personal attacks against me

FAQ · 30/05/2008 22:06

I think that's an excellent idea Thinks - stepping away - I'm on the "don't delete the threads" side of the debate (very much so) but I think your comments are bang out of order.

I think (at least I hope) that I've been reasonably polite to FIS (and others) despite our differing opinions.

justaboutconscious · 30/05/2008 22:06

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objectivity · 30/05/2008 22:05

I recall having my CBT therapist's email address. We used it to arrange appointments and I mailed that I couldn't face coming in because i was feeling very low and told her I felt I might be HPD.The response- put very sweetly by her - was that she hadn't realised that she wasn't supposed to use her email for correspondence. I assume this is because it cannot be attended to immediately and may discourage service users from seeking help directly and also to protect staff. While I understand this, I would highlight the fact that this was the point I gave up that particular course of therapy. I was very hurt and felt like just another service user iyswim. No that I wanted to be pally pally with any of the service providers.

Additionally, in terms of risk assessment, and speaking only in terms of the person who feels suicidal and not in view of the people that offer support, I suspect that the numbers helped or'saved' far outweigh the numbers who go on to commit suicide because of any ill judged or misinformed comment. (?)

berolina · 30/05/2008 22:05

Thinks, IMO FIS's posts have been thoughtful, insightful and not at all insensitive. I actually agree with her about MN in many ways not being equipped to deal with these situations. I do agree with you too, Janni, that MN is utterly fabulous at creating a network of support. For me the sort of immediate life-or-death situation engendered by a posting stating intention to suicide does cross a line, though - particularly as the people reading that post will in most cases, at least initially, be in a position of horrible powerlessness.

Marina makes an excellent point about closed online chat. I did think one solution might be to refer suicidal posters to a group of MNers who had previously agreed/volunteered to be available if possible in situations like this - on a closed area of the site and with a disclaimer. When I thought it through, however, I saw all sorts of reasons why this would actually be a pretty bad idea.

FAQ · 30/05/2008 22:05

I must confess (before my new man arrives and I disappear for the rest of the night) I am a little worried that anyone feeling low tonight, even if not at the self harm/suicidal stage, may not post after reading this thread.

Thinkstoomuch · 30/05/2008 22:04

Sorry to get personal FIS, but I feel you've dominated the thread with ill-informed, callous comments and haven't taken on board anything anyone has said in response. I'm stepping away.

QuintessentialShadows · 30/05/2008 22:04

I agree that insulting posters usually invalidate ANY point they have made thus far.

lou031205 · 30/05/2008 22:03

I have started another thread about a particular aspect of all this, as I don't want to hijack this thread, in chat, but I think there are no easy answers to all this.

I wouldn't want to witness an accident, etc, but would feel compelled to stop and assist if I did so. Isn't is human nature to help others if you can?

KerryMum · 30/05/2008 22:02

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FAQ · 30/05/2008 22:01

well yes since I started posting that some of the posts have become more insulting - and therefore not so valid.

QuintessentialShadows · 30/05/2008 22:00

erm.... I was referring to the post below about many upsetting threads..

QuintessentialShadows · 30/05/2008 21:59

FAQ, I second that.

I especially have problems with threads relating to miscarriage, prem babies and cot death. I stay away from them, as I know I will be a crying shivering heap if I read them. So, I think what BErolinas dh is saying is true for many types of threads.

expatinscotland · 30/05/2008 21:59

it does when the poster starts getting personal and insulting, FAQ.

foxinsocks · 30/05/2008 21:58

you have a problem with me, come out and say it. I don't have a problem with anything I've said on here.

not that it's relevant, but I have a lot of experience with suicidal and mentally ill people - not in a professional capacity I hasten to add (which is why I don't post on the threads).

expatinscotland · 30/05/2008 21:57

Now you are just being rude and insulting, Thinks.

FAQ · 30/05/2008 21:57

Very true expat, and no matter what their opinion is. And obviously on this thread opinions are wide reaching. Doesn't mean that one opinion at one extreme is any less valid than one at the other end.

Thinkstoomuch · 30/05/2008 21:57

Sorry, yes of course that's true. But you know how it's always the thickest bloke in the pub who talks the loudest...

QuintessentialShadows · 30/05/2008 21:57

Thinkstoomuch, I can see where Foxinsocks is coming from, even though I dont agree withh er viewpoint. However, she is not spouting rubbish. I have never known Foxinsocks to do so (and I remember her from over a year back)

expatinscotland · 30/05/2008 21:56

People are allowed to have an opinion on this matter, Thinks, no matter what their background (and we don't know everyone's).