what on earht are you all doing wih tis suiceide stuff

Sorry - that should have said 'post threads or ask for help'.

I wish you could edit on this bloody board.

And another thing - someone said yesterday that they would rather not see threads about this coming up in chat (berolina I think). I think that's very fair comment and maybe the mods could move them to the appropriate place and post that they've done so.

There are people who post suicide threads and ask for help who then go on to try. My ex did. Gave a friend a letter which he told them not to open until they got home. They opened it before because they felt a bit weird about it and went back and he'd hanged himself. He was okay - she got there in time. But she might not have done.

I think it's a bit dangerous to suggest that someone who asks for help won't do it.

I'm sure a statistically significant number may be attention seeking, but there are stats, text books, case studies.....and individuals.

moving along.......

tiredlady, thank you for your post. I wonder if you would be drawn on what you think should happen to the suicide threads?

And I have to give my most sincerest apologies to all, for the appalling spelling in my last post this morning. solace durrrr

And your point?

There is a difference between actively suicidal and attention seeking

Oh FGS

You should be bloody ashamed of yourselves- we have people who are actively suicidal on the boards at the moment- do you honestly think discussions like this are going to help them or those supporting them?

This thread is taking a very bad turn. I'm off. You can discuss useful tactics as much as you like. arf

Did anyone mention copycatting?

Sorry, long thread.

I think attention-seeking was mentioned.

I only do knots because of having been a climber.

But I'd probably pick something that definitely will NOT come out once it's weighted, like a fisherman's/ringbend knot.

But on the whole, many who are very suicidal don't want to be found at all.

Until after they are dead.

Mark Speight springs to mind.

GreenElizabeth- apparently this is because women tend to be more concerned with who will find them and how they will be found. Men are concerned by this less so- which is why men tend to engage in suicidal activity more severe ie- jumping off buildings etc.

(this was discussed in a lecture btw- not my own thoughts)

Icod, apparently men hang themselves and women take a fistful of pills.

In the case of Objectivity, I don't think there was any point in ringing 999. I don't think she was planning it that very second. She sounded to me like she ws trying to get her ship in order berfore she left.

I think she wanted to hear things like "well, write your daughters a letter for every birthday and write a list of instructions for their guardian"....

You can't BAN people from posting their feelings because it makes uncomfortable reading. We were all encouraging her to get help. That would be no more but no less persuasive than a computer-generated e-mail from mumsnet.

Mylovelymonster, that is a very sad story and I hope he got some help.

However, that boy knew that by being amongst people he was going to be noticed when he fell unconscious and that you would ensure his rescue.

That is different to hanging yourself in the woods at midnight.

Well, I'm one of those people you'd have never guessed was considering suicide, KM.

Many people, you hear they have committed suicide, and it seems so out of the blue for them.

You'd be surprised how many people are virtuosos of deceit when it comes to the level of their depression.

Men, especially, statistically don't send out those 'cries for help', like women, and therefore statistically have a higher success rate when it comes to suicide.

'Being acutely suicidal is a psychiatric emergency and gets responded to. '

I couldn't agree more. If you are that low, you need to seek out help that is NOT waiting for SS to ring you back. A&E, NHS Direct24, etc.

But your point is truly salient, tired, because when you get to the point where you are really seriously going to do it, it's beyond a website.

I pointed out earlier in this thread that when you are assessed by a GP - and I realise I am very lucky in that mine has had some additional specialist mental health training - one of the first things they do is assess your substance use/misuse/abuse. Also other medical conditions or medications the individual might be using.

And so I do find it worrisome that some of these OPs feel better from the support they receive here and then put off getting the exigent care they need IRL and/or establishing those contacts in RL that can help them get the RL help they need asap the next time they hit such a slump, or get too drunk or what have you.

That's why I generally stay off such threads.

As someone who has had ongoing issues with ante and postnatal depression, I truly don't feel I'm helping other than to keep encouraging the OP to get some RL help now - which always gets shot down as unsupportive and uncaring. Or to remind people that it's not a good idea to get bladdered whilst on medication for depression or use drugs.

But there it is.

When someone feels so low that suicide is on their mind, an email suggesting the Samaritans would be patronising and no help.