Mn, do you know that Miriam Stoppard,your latest recruit in the ceaseless campaign to get us to buy even more unnecessary crap for our children works for Nestle and is hustling health journalists to join her at the Nestle luxury HQ in Switzerland to ...

If you care about it then surely you too think using some of the budget for the book deal would be a good idea to do a book on breastfeeding? (I have read the thread and am aware they haven't said 'No', just won't commit themselves to saying 'Yes' either.)
Breastfeeding is one of the issues women all over the country are misinformed about and not supported properly with.
If MN did a book that stated facts, i.e. Your milk doesnt run out, you can eat curry, you will be feeding constantly for the first few eeks/months, you are entitled to feed anywhere, formula does have risks assocaited with it (though for a second best it's does the job it's meant to) etc etc not only would it be helpful for all the women who go into BFing blind (which I believe is a big part of people stopping, they dont know what they have signed up for) and it would make Mn a good profit.
Win-win IMO.
I do wonder why someone who 'doesn't care' would bother commenting tbh, threads I don't care about I leave to the people who do.

yes twig

anyway hunker vvvqv, I do care about breastfeeding and whatever else was on your list, just not to the same level of obsession

I do not ban Nestle as I, like Fio, am quite partial to the odd Kitkat and dd1 likes Cherios

agree with olive's post of 09:35:26

("good god, MN can't do anything right can they... not everyone is against...")

indeed

that was my point about mcd's on the other thread too

I will fight you to the death over my right to not care by the way ...

did I miss the day when the list was handed out about what we are allowed to have an opinion on then?

LOL!

i am in favour of kits kat

is that vvvdq or hunker?

as you are coming across as hunker atm

"not everyone is against nestle"

So who is in favour of them then? Apart from their executives and shareholders, I mean?

Sometimes it feels like this website is full of people with a great many opinions about not an awful lot - including about how much they dont care.

I think that's rather pointless, btw.

sometimes this site feels like you're back at uni with socialist workers giving you the evil eye for daring to go to the bar for a drink rather than signing up to one of their futile attempts to change the world .. eh vive la revolution

I absolutely detest socialist workers activists btw

I dont think MN are getting a particularly hard time.

It's also tiring to hear the same old twaddle trotted out about the "vocal few" pro-breastfeeders ruining it for everyone else. There are plenty of vocal people who constantly perpetuate bollox about infant feeding, but get away with it, because, bless them, they can't help their ignorance

There needs to be much more accurate info on infant feeding out there, MN has the resources and support of many many people to help do this, and at the moment they arent.

They are involved in a campaign re care surrounding miscarriages (and I'm really pleased about that, dont get me wrong). They have been asked to write 6 books. I dont think it's unreasonable to be disappointed that infant feeding hasn't been put higher on the list of ones being written out, since I put quite a bit of time of mine into this site and it's a subject I feel passionate about. I'm not suggesting other people's ideas override mine, just that I am as entitled to anyone else to voice it. This is my mumsnet I'm talking about after all - MNHQ can worry about keeping happy the thousands of others .

"By Oliveoil on Thu 24-Apr-08 09:35:26
good god, MN can't do anything right can they

not everyone is against Nestle
not everyone is into reading about breastfeeding
not everyone is bothered about formula advertising

I could go on

this site is for 1000's of people, not a select few who feel they can decree how everyone else should think or feel"

For someone who doesnt care about breastfeeding/nestle/formula etc you dont have spend a lot of time popping on threads to say you dont care OO. I think you doth protest too much

I really do think MNHQ could easily remove all advertising for Nestle subsidiaries. If they choose not to, they are perfectly entitled to do so - it's their website. It doesnt stop me being disappointed about it. It also doesnt mean I'm not pleased that they dont run ads for formula. I just think one step further really wouldnt hurt their pocket. At all. There'll always be another company in line wanting to have their ads plastered all over a website that attracts thousands of people every day, and hundreds of thousands of visitors every month.

By policywonk on Thu 24-Apr-08 11:45:02
"

I am not a Nestle supporter.

My point is that NO big corporation is whiter than white. If we avoiided all of them, and thier offshoot comapies, there would be NO MN.

How can you not be against Nestle though knowing what they get up to?

I'm in the OO and JV camp, me

Not that it's about taking sides.

I don;t care whose dirty money MN takes. To me, the most important thing is that it runs as a FREE resource for woman in need of support at the most vulnerable time of their lives.

I am v pro breastfeeding. BUT, if MN chooses to boycott all of the companies/personalities ever associated with Nestle and its offshoots, there's BE no Mumsnet.

(psst JV, there are not many of us, don't draw attention to yourself!)

"By Oliveoil on Thu 24-Apr-08 09:35:26
good god, MN can't do anything right can they

not everyone is against Nestle
not everyone is into reading about breastfeeding
not everyone is bothered about formula advertising

I could go on

this site is for 1000's of people, not a select few who feel they can decree how everyone else should think or feel

harrumph"

Couldn't put it better myself.

I really feel for HQ over this, as I did over the whole Vicky Thingy business.
I am very proud of MN for the stance they have taken over certain issues. Just because it's not quite enough for a few (a very vocal few) doesn't mean it's not enough.
Also, I feel that most people with 'moderate' views on BF issues tend to stay away from the topic because, well, it's draining, so often it can seem that those who shout the loudest are representative of general opinion. Glad to see alternative views being aired on this thread.

Any doctor who takes drug company cash to promote their products loses any credibility they might have had.

I don't like nestle, but my objections to Dr. Stoppard's advert are based on her whoring out her title for cash.

MP, My sister gave me an old falling to pieces edition of NCT's breastfeeding book. i found it really useful especially when my MIL was telling me how her milk 'just dried up one day' or that I should drink lots of milk. My health visitors were being too careful to not put pressure on me but I interpretted this as lack of support that I wanted to BF my initially tubefed baby.
The book plus my sister's advice really helped. Admittedly, I didn't know mumsnet existed back then which i'm sure would have been fantastic.
Where were you all when i really needed you????

Hillary Flowers' 'Adventures in Tandem Nusing' is a fab bfing book, but I suppose it's targeted at those who have already successfully established bf.

MNHQ's publisher will make decisions on projected sales figures and nothing else (unless MNHQ have managed to negotiate a killer contract). I guess bfing books just don't have the sales projections of recipe books. If the book project provides financial support that enables MN to continue to operate an ethical ads policy then that's alright with me.

I think Justine's posts are eminently reasonable, and I'm impressed by MNHQ's ads policy

I think targetting Miriam StoppitforGod'sSake is a better use of our time than haranguing Justine. (Not that haranguing Justine isn't fun.)