Mn, do you know that Miriam Stoppard,your latest recruit in the ceaseless campaign to get us to buy even more unnecessary crap for our children works for Nestle and is hustling health journalists to join her at the Nestle luxury HQ in Switzerland to ...

Fio, no she didn't bf us. I didn't know anyone who had sucessfully bf when I had my dses.

Just need to say as have seen it on this thread a couple of times..... "milk running out" being a myth. It does happen. Mine did with my 1st, when she was 3 months old, exclusive BF, it disappeared over night. She was admitted to hospital with severe dehydration three days later. NCT support agreed, my milk had gone completely.

I went on to successfully BF 2 more children (one for over a year) and express for 3 months for my 4th

Back on topic, the Nestle boycott has been going on for about 20 years hasn't it? Do they still have the same practices of going into developing countries as they did when the boycott started?

oh bugger i typed my sisters name then, oh well

sue did your mum bf? My mum actually passed a book onto me but I cant remember who wrote it but she said dont read the bf stuff! She fed me and sarah successfully but my gran is a very passionate (and agressive!)past breastfeeder and she said she had to ignore ALL of the advice from anyone at the time apart from gran (this was 77)

Wrt to books, 'Breast is Best' by the Drs Stanway was my lifeline. When I had ds1 in 1975 bf advice was still of the 'two mins on each side every four hrs' variety so, unsurprisingly by 3wks ds was on formula. B-is-B was a revelation to me, explaining the science behind bfing and giving me the encouragement to give it another go with my next baby.

no no fio I wasn't directing that at you, just responding to your general observation with another general observation

Agree 100% Harpsi

Morningpaper:

"By morningpaper on Thu 24-Apr-08 09:06:10
As an aside, do people think that breastfeeding BOOKS are actually useful?

I've never read anything in a book about breastfeeding that has been helpful.

PERSONALLY I've always needed real-time advice from people (the main advice being YOU ARE DOING REALLY WELL)

Just wondered what you think a breastfeeding book would SAY for 100,000 words that would really help mums?"

I dont know - about as helpful as a book on Toddlers , Pregnancy, Babies and Recipes/food maybe?

How many b/feeding books have you read, btw?

Sorry I wasnt scoffing or sneering if it came accross that way. I havent got the energy to tbh

I agree fio
but I think we also have to be careful that when we scoff and deride other people's passionately-held opinions because we don't share them that we don't come across as sneering and superior
of which I am as guilty as the next snotty mumsnetter

I have got to be honest, getting het up about formula advertising isnt my bag either and I do still buy Nestle. I think we all tend to boycott and fight for things that we feel passionate about and of course its important if its killing people. I really dislike MS as her book really fucked upset me when I was at the bottom anyway. Plus she does a stupid agony aunt column for the daily mirror, how could you get any worse? But this is seperate from an advert which mn is just advertising to keep the site going.

We have to be very careful when being passionate about something that it does not come accross as agressive. I think quite a few of us are guilty of this and I include myself

Oh dear, my prenancy brain is really stuffing up and the moment. This time the are on me......

Hopefully this time, I will make slightly more sense (fingers crossed emoticon). I do not agree with what Nestle do at all. I spent a lot of time in some developing countries and saw the effect of tireless marketing on babies there. It broke my heart. It gets under my collar that supposedly intelligent people like Ms Stoppard can work wih them. Hope that clarifies things. And don't worry - even if Nestle brought out a wonder drink that would cure me of my inability to string a sentnece together at the moment, I wouldn't touch the stuff .

HUGE apologies to anyone who misunderstood my ramblings. I swear I wasn't this bad with my last pregnancy! Won't even begin to tell you how many times I have had to write this and correct spelling mistakes........

Ooh a fine plan VS!

You're probably right policywonk, I do feel I have to make a point that I'm not against formula per se, just the misinformation surrounding it on any Nestle, or even just breastfeeding, threads tbh.
It seems being pro-breastfeeding and boycotting nestle must mean you are anti-ff

I think an MN book about bfing is a great idea. I'm just not sure that it's up to MN to decide which topics will be covered in the books - it might well be that the publisher has the final say in the matter.

Re. caring/not caring about Nestle: I wonder whether there are some people who think that the anti-Nestle campaign is a proxy for an anti-formula campaign. The Nestle campaign has been going on for so long that activists tend to assume that everyone knows what the issues are, but in fact I think a lot of people assume that it's a generalised campaign against formula, or a thinly-veiled excuse for one. (NB - I know thst this is not the case.)

Maybe we should start a mass email campaign and offer them MN advertisin spac if they start up nut ones again...

I know. They spoil it for everyone don't they

(why can't they make a nut and a non nut one btw?)

I haven't singled anyone out, nor have I had a go at anyone

well not today anyway

bloody allergicky kids, spoiling it for everyone. if only they'd been breastfed...

Honey nut loops are now just honey loops and imo greatly poorer because of the lack of nut

How much is too much?

Nestle are still killing babies and b/feeding rates in this cuntry are still piss-poor?

Is "our" work done then?

honey nut loops are just as nice as cheerios, in my DC's opinion anyway.

folks are singled out for going on too much imo

I am a Tesco shopper [MN recoils from multinational murdering scum shop] so do not requent Sainsburys

"I absolutely detest socialist workers activists btw"

read that as social worker activists!!!

couldntcarelessexcepticould OO and twig, you will fight to the death about your right not to care, and I will fight to the death re my right to care.

The fact that you dont care, doesnt make what I care about less important, except only to you. I do find it bizarre that folk are singled out for "caring too much"