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Anti-Dementors : The AD’s

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MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 04:40

Anti-Dementirs. These are a long running group of threads on Mumsnet.
I’ve recently been on a Covid thread and felt attacked by a group of posters for stating a consensus science view.
I then looked into who this group are - and they have formed threads called the ‘Anti-Dementors”. Dementors being those who wore masks/followed lockdown rules.
The groups they perceive as ‘dementors’ are dismissed/ridiculed as putting ‘cheese in coffee’, - or sitting in their garden with laptops during lockdown. The fact is that many were vulnerable/protecting the vulnerable.
There us also support/links to publications like ‘Unherd’ and ‘State of Fear’ which are bordering conspiracy theory territory.

While I think the discourse is important - it makes me very uneasy when people form ‘echo chambers’ and ridicule/attack/make snide comments in a group towards those with opposing views.

I look forward to your response!

OP posts:
DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:43

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:41

How is calling someone a dementor who puts cheese in their coffee : and sits on their laptop in the garden all day : not an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually having a very hard time.

Similarly : calling someone a ‘granny killing Covidiot’. And starting a thread “anti granny killers” Where they can make all kinds of assumptions about ‘granny killers’ - would that be an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually finding it impossible to escape an abusive household during lockdown?

Not right is it.

And if you were offended by any of those particular comments at the time you could have reported them. As could anyone else who was offended by them. 3 years ago.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 15:43

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:41

How is calling someone a dementor who puts cheese in their coffee : and sits on their laptop in the garden all day : not an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually having a very hard time.

Similarly : calling someone a ‘granny killing Covidiot’. And starting a thread “anti granny killers” Where they can make all kinds of assumptions about ‘granny killers’ - would that be an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually finding it impossible to escape an abusive household during lockdown?

Not right is it.

Oh FGS. MN runs this site to their rules, not on someone moaning about what 'isn't right' and crying about being ridiculed.

I notice you've swerved a bit in your last post. Better late (like three years late) then never, I guess.

What's the point here, OP?

EmmaEmerald · 15/03/2023 15:41

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:31

@DanceMonster

Exactly. The ‘be kind because you don’t know what other’s are going through’.

My loved one was going through that, but didn’t become any kind of statistic thankfully. And then - statistically I can see that millions globally were going through far, far worse.

They - and their families - should be empathised with - not ridiculed. Equally those who had their lives destroyed by lockdown.

No one was kind here in lockdown. They took the piss out of people who were suicidal, people who were worried about their children, people who were worried about parents.

The threads you are complaining were very kind, many posters there had Covid and long Covid.

i still remember a deleted thread where a poster explained, with great dignity, that she lost both parents to Covid but was against the lockdown.

the Book That Must Not Be Named came up on the thread and it vanished. I'm pleased to say it has a place in the window at Waterstones now.

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:41

How is calling someone a dementor who puts cheese in their coffee : and sits on their laptop in the garden all day : not an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually having a very hard time.

Similarly : calling someone a ‘granny killing Covidiot’. And starting a thread “anti granny killers” Where they can make all kinds of assumptions about ‘granny killers’ - would that be an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually finding it impossible to escape an abusive household during lockdown?

Not right is it.

OP posts:
Overthinkingnotdrinking · 15/03/2023 15:40

I am not sure the op understands internet forums. Anyone opposing lockdowns is in a Mumsnet cabal. Anyone taking the piss or being salty is akin to a workplace bully and posters need to be protected from reading their posts by censorship. No one can talk about their suffering in case anyone else was going through worse…

So mumsnet could censor any anti lockdown threads. Or the OP could just stay off covid threads if it’s going to upset her too much.

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:39

Iheartmysmart · 15/03/2023 15:32

I don’t recall any ridiculing on those threads. A huge amount of common sense, support, some rude veg, a new baby or two and a wonderful tortoise definitely. If that makes me an AD then who cares, I’ve been called a lot worse!

There was definitely some mild piss taking to be honest 😂. Nothing nasty though. But I certainly don’t subscribe to the view that we shouldn’t express those opinions because someone somewhere might be having a tough time.
OP if there were particular comments that offended you at the time you would of course been within your rights to report them and let MN judge. But to start a thread now, 3 years later, when the threads are barely even active anymore (and you can choose not to read them)… what are you hoping to achieve?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 15:33

The ‘be kind because you don’t know what other’s are going through’

So were you on MN during lockdown, OP? and did you see all those threads that have been referenced on this thread? did you post at all?

Or is this retrospective outrage, for some reason?

Iheartmysmart · 15/03/2023 15:32

I don’t recall any ridiculing on those threads. A huge amount of common sense, support, some rude veg, a new baby or two and a wonderful tortoise definitely. If that makes me an AD then who cares, I’ve been called a lot worse!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 15:31

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:17

And quite frankly, there were many, many posters on here who were enjoying working from their laptops in their gardens.

At least one thread recently on what people enjoyed about lockdown and working in the garden or spending time with the children playing in the garden seems to be a theme.

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:31

@DanceMonster

Exactly. The ‘be kind because you don’t know what other’s are going through’.

My loved one was going through that, but didn’t become any kind of statistic thankfully. And then - statistically I can see that millions globally were going through far, far worse.

They - and their families - should be empathised with - not ridiculed. Equally those who had their lives destroyed by lockdown.

OP posts:
EmmaEmerald · 15/03/2023 15:30

Worldgonecrazy · 15/03/2023 15:18

I lost my mum towards the end of covid restrictions. One of her oldest friends (previously a nurse, now care home manager) has to sneak into the hospice to see her.

During the first lockdown I broke a bone and saw how ‘overwhelmed’ the hospital actually was, and had a couple of very interesting conversations with the staff.

Hospitals feel far more overwhelmed now, thanks to the aftermath of lockdowns.

Yes...If anyone had to go to hospital, they'll know.

one of the hardest things for mum's friends kids to accept....their dying parents were turned away from a hospital that wasn't busy.

They know this for sure ....because they are staff.

mum was in hospital November 2022 and we have heard a lot about colleagues who left because not only were they treated badly, they also felt that nursing just isn't about nursing. It's another pile of spaghetti to untangle but we will have a shortage of medical staff for a very long time, certainly the rest of my life.

i was also called an anti vaxer here, I was one of the earliest to get it, I was lucky not to get a shielding letter. But being against mandatory vax meant posters here called me anti vax.

Worldgonecrazy · 15/03/2023 15:19

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:17

And quite frankly, there were many, many posters on here who were enjoying working from their laptops in their gardens.

Only early during the first lockdown when we had unseasonably sunny weather.

I often wonder whether we would have been so accepting of staying at home if the weather had been shit?

BelleHathor · 15/03/2023 15:19

JenniferBooth · 15/03/2023 14:14

OP i had a suspicion that you were the one who got the A State Of Fear threads pulled. Now im damn sure of it.

Yup, seeming mighty familiar. Lot's of great posters who turned out to be correct were also mass reported.

WestwardHo1 · 15/03/2023 15:19

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:09

@CryingAtTheDiscotheque

But from what I’ve seen - the ‘fun’ comes from ridiculing others.

From what you have seen?

I'm afraid you are very selective about what you have seen and you are completely ignoring what others (who were actually there at the time), who have said that the threads saw them through some very very dark times. Just stop it now!

It all seems very egotistical

Worldgonecrazy · 15/03/2023 15:18

I lost my mum towards the end of covid restrictions. One of her oldest friends (previously a nurse, now care home manager) has to sneak into the hospice to see her.

During the first lockdown I broke a bone and saw how ‘overwhelmed’ the hospital actually was, and had a couple of very interesting conversations with the staff.

Hospitals feel far more overwhelmed now, thanks to the aftermath of lockdowns.

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:17

And quite frankly, there were many, many posters on here who were enjoying working from their laptops in their gardens.

WestwardHo1 · 15/03/2023 15:16

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:06

@Topseyt123

’Silly and a bit of fun’.

While I was dealing with a loved one who was bleeding out in the toilet and trying to get her in a hospital overwhelmed by Covid.

While it's sad this happened, everyone will have something awful happen to them in their lives. Everyone's lives will be affected by cancer, and by other diseases, everyone will be bereaved, everyone will suffer.

It doesn't give you a special reason to go looking for two year old threads which supported a lot of women, and demand that Something is Done because you choose to take offence at their content.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 15:15

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:06

@Topseyt123

’Silly and a bit of fun’.

While I was dealing with a loved one who was bleeding out in the toilet and trying to get her in a hospital overwhelmed by Covid.

OP - I'm sorry that you had to deal with that but a) it wasn't a personal attack on individuals and b) your comment suggests that because horrid or distressing things happen to someone then no-one can ever post anything that isn't serious and laden with doom. I've seen this on various boards - 'who cares about your x, y or z, don't you know children are starving/people are dying in Ukraine!' type comments.

Covid was awful. In many and various ways it was awful for everyone. I'm just grateful some posters tried to leaven that lump a bit.

EmmaEmerald · 15/03/2023 15:13

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:06

@Topseyt123

’Silly and a bit of fun’.

While I was dealing with a loved one who was bleeding out in the toilet and trying to get her in a hospital overwhelmed by Covid.

Oh FGS

I had to call ambulances twice for mum in lockdown and she refused hospital admission for one of them

two of her friend died after being refused entry to hospitals and they died of Covid.

the threads were a great relief to me while dealing with that sort of thing.

did you buy shares in MN? Is it actually owned by you? I guess if we get shut down again, we'll know the answer.

Topseyt123 · 15/03/2023 15:13

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:06

@Topseyt123

’Silly and a bit of fun’.

While I was dealing with a loved one who was bleeding out in the toilet and trying to get her in a hospital overwhelmed by Covid.

There is no monopoly on that. Plenty of us had to deal with sick and even dying relatives during the pandemic.

I had to deal with a dying father in lockdown and then with his lockdown funeral. None of it COVID related. The AD threads were still sanity savers for me.

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:12

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 15/03/2023 15:07

"The irony (as has been said about the ADs on other forums) is that for a group of people purporting to be ANTI the gloom and doom they were seeing elsewhere, it had to be the most miserable joy sucking "poor us" entitled whingefest ever seen on MN."

Dont know about other forums but I agree there is some truth in this.
No reason to delete the threads though

And that’s a valid opinion to have. The joy of the threads is that those who didn’t feel supported by them, or find any use in them, didn’t have to read them. Our ‘whinging entitlement’ was all kept to one thread.

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:10

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:06

@Topseyt123

’Silly and a bit of fun’.

While I was dealing with a loved one who was bleeding out in the toilet and trying to get her in a hospital overwhelmed by Covid.

With all respect (and I’m sorry for your situation), does that mean a group of people who didn’t know who you are couldn’t make unrelated jokes on an online forum? None of the comments were aimed at you personally, we don’t know who you are.

EmmaEmerald · 15/03/2023 15:10

Buzzinwithbez · 15/03/2023 14:59

@EmmaEmerald
The original wording
"During the emergency period, no person may participate in a gathering in a public place of more than two people except—"

Then the exceptions

When Johnson made the announcement ( I bothered to watch them at this point) I rechecked to make sure I wasn't going mad one it was available! The wording was not altered.
There was a similar allowance in German law. I remember reading newspaper articles about it before ours came in.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/7/2020-03-26

But households weren't permitted to mix and there were no bubbles

so what legal basis would I have had for meeting someone outside? Nothing fits those exceptions? I actually said to my sister that we should register a business at Companies House in order to be able to see each other.

thanks for the link, that's really useful. But I still can't see how I could have legally met someone outside for a walk. isn't 6b is the relevant clause here?

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6/2020-03-26

I've no objection to being proved wrong btw. I didn't know anyone who was willing to meet anyway. (The real thing that covered me was mental health emergency, which my doctor could confirm as I've been in treatment for years).

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:09

@CryingAtTheDiscotheque

But from what I’ve seen - the ‘fun’ comes from ridiculing others.

OP posts:
CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 15/03/2023 15:07

"The irony (as has been said about the ADs on other forums) is that for a group of people purporting to be ANTI the gloom and doom they were seeing elsewhere, it had to be the most miserable joy sucking "poor us" entitled whingefest ever seen on MN."

Dont know about other forums but I agree there is some truth in this.
No reason to delete the threads though

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