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Anti-Dementors : The AD’s

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MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 04:40

Anti-Dementirs. These are a long running group of threads on Mumsnet.
I’ve recently been on a Covid thread and felt attacked by a group of posters for stating a consensus science view.
I then looked into who this group are - and they have formed threads called the ‘Anti-Dementors”. Dementors being those who wore masks/followed lockdown rules.
The groups they perceive as ‘dementors’ are dismissed/ridiculed as putting ‘cheese in coffee’, - or sitting in their garden with laptops during lockdown. The fact is that many were vulnerable/protecting the vulnerable.
There us also support/links to publications like ‘Unherd’ and ‘State of Fear’ which are bordering conspiracy theory territory.

While I think the discourse is important - it makes me very uneasy when people form ‘echo chambers’ and ridicule/attack/make snide comments in a group towards those with opposing views.

I look forward to your response!

OP posts:
DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 21:11

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 14:42

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

Well I can’t say - from what I’ve seen on the Covid boards - that I’ve EVER read ‘suck it up Granny killer’. And I’ve never seen a series of threads where - those who wanted to say such things - got together in a group.

From what I read on the AD thread - perhaps not all posters, but there are a fair few there ridiculing those who supported restrictions.

I was on a Covid thread, and there was a group of posters being pretty unpleasant, and making out that I was inferring things that I wasn’t or trying to twist my words. I was posting within Mumsnet guidelines. I then saw from a search that many were from this ‘anti-dementor’ group.

Bothers me as Mumsnet is a parenting forum, and people come here for advice for their families. Differs in that way from FB or Twitter. I think Mumsnet take this into account so you can report for personal insults, health misinformation etc

I’ve just read the thread you’re referring to and you’re completely misrepresenting that, as well as the AD threads. Seems to be a habit of yours.

JenniferBooth · 15/03/2023 20:14

I notice the OP has now mentioned Covidiots now It was the ADs who were called Covidiots You have left it a bit too late to try and look more objective OP

FrostyFifi · 15/03/2023 20:08

I was on a Covid thread, and there was a group of posters being pretty unpleasant, and making out that I was inferring things that I wasn’t or trying to twist my words

Don't lie. You were on that thread with the intent to derail and now you're here to cry about it.

Dementors was from Harry Potter btw.

BreadInCaptivity · 15/03/2023 16:40

I'm sort of glad the OP picked this up, despite disagreeing with them.

I've found this thread interesting reading in hindsight and with the knowledge we now have.

One thing really stood out to me at the time I think is reflected in the OP's position is the fact that we were "sold" the premise that lockdown was something we experienced collectively and was a equitable social burden.

Yet it was very, very clear that there was no universal experience and the lockdown rules had a very disproportionate impact on some families whilst being little more than an inconvenience to others.

My local FB page was riddled with the sentiment of "we are all in it together" whilst posting comments such as "I won't name and shame but to the family of 5 living near x street with the 3 pink children's bikes, you spent 2 rather than 1 hour out of your property today. I know it's hard but if I can follow the rules so can you".

Not naming, but giving enough info to make that family identifiable whilst showing zero self awareness that after they had done their hours walk, their family went to play in their huge garden, in the massive above ground pool they'd bought due to savings from Dad not having to commute to his safe job. Mum was in a good place as a SAHM to home school the kids and wasn't tearing her hair out because they'd bought the kids individual laptops re: online lessons and the house was big enough for everyone to have their own workspace.

Unlike their neighbours of 5 whose Dad's business was on the verge of folding due to lockdown and were worrying about losing their small 2 bed home with a tiny yard, all on top of each other with kids using parents mobile phones to do lessons whilst Mum is trying to hold onto her job, working out of the kitchen on the only laptop in the house - and going to the park for a few hours was the only respite from the shit show their home life had become.

Same rules very different experiences but so many people - especially those who sailed through lockdown seems oblivious to, apart from when it came to policing other people.

I was lucky re: lockdown so I've no axe to grind but I was (and remain) shocked at how many people failed to understand how the universal rules created massive social and financial inequality and seemed to take great joy/pride in shaming people who bore the weight of those govt decisions and derided them when they questioned the cost some families were paying.

justasking111 · 15/03/2023 16:37

KnittingNeedles · 15/03/2023 16:31

On the milk thing I have just advanced searched and - the quote was:

"Milk isn’t an “essential” as long as you have taps. Fine to pick up as part of a proper shop but a trip out just for that and chocolate goes against gov guidance and potentially undoes what a lot of us are doing bu literally staying at home."

On this thread, from April 2020 where a poster was asking whether it was OK to have a bbq in her garden, just her and the people she lived with.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3868979-AIBU-to-plan-on-having-a-BBQ?page=1

The BBQ thing just reminded me of a family having one in their front garden because that was the sunny side and the police turning up to tell them they had to use their back garden away from passers by.

Our police got fed up with conflicting advice being thrown about by different public bodies V the government.

Overthinkingnotdrinking · 15/03/2023 16:33

It seems the op was used to having the majority defend her point on threads, then posted on a thread and the usual lockdown cheerleaders were not there so she feels she was bullied as the majority of posters were arguing against her. So her response to this is to complain to mnhq. A vague complaint, possibly asking for people to be deleted for quoting unheard as a source, talking about the laptop class or calling themselves anti dementors.

KnittingNeedles · 15/03/2023 16:31

On the milk thing I have just advanced searched and - the quote was:

"Milk isn’t an “essential” as long as you have taps. Fine to pick up as part of a proper shop but a trip out just for that and chocolate goes against gov guidance and potentially undoes what a lot of us are doing bu literally staying at home."

On this thread, from April 2020 where a poster was asking whether it was OK to have a bbq in her garden, just her and the people she lived with.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3868979-AIBU-to-plan-on-having-a-BBQ?page=1

Topseyt123 · 15/03/2023 16:27

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:41

How is calling someone a dementor who puts cheese in their coffee : and sits on their laptop in the garden all day : not an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually having a very hard time.

Similarly : calling someone a ‘granny killing Covidiot’. And starting a thread “anti granny killers” Where they can make all kinds of assumptions about ‘granny killers’ - would that be an attempt to ridicule? Particularly if that person was actually finding it impossible to escape an abusive household during lockdown?

Not right is it.

On that basis, would you like the whole Covid 19 topic to be deleted? What you have said there does seem to cover a large majority of the threads in it?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 16:09

And got her arse handed to her.

WestwardHo1 · 15/03/2023 16:09

WestwardHo1 · 15/03/2023 16:08

No apology from mr either.

I was told, when I feared that my business would be destroyed, that any successful business should be able to survive with months of no income at all, and that if it wasn't, then it wasn't viable anyway and I deserved it

I'm willing to bet this was from a working from homer, who was on full salary throughout.

Me not Mr!

WestwardHo1 · 15/03/2023 16:08

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 16:06

I don't think we're going to get an answer on that one, despite several people asking. All I can see is an appeal for women to be kiiiiiiiind; which, given how the covid boards went and the fact it was three years ago, is really shutting the stable door after the horse is to hell and long gone.

I'm not sure the OP even knows what she wants from this thread.

I think she's changed her mind. She wanted the threads pulled at the start, before she found out what a Dementor actually is 🙄

WestwardHo1 · 15/03/2023 16:08

No apology from mr either.

I was told, when I feared that my business would be destroyed, that any successful business should be able to survive with months of no income at all, and that if it wasn't, then it wasn't viable anyway and I deserved it

I'm willing to bet this was from a working from homer, who was on full salary throughout.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 16:06

gamerchick · 15/03/2023 16:03

Hearing twilight zone music reading this thread like. What is it you're wanting OP?

I don't think we're going to get an answer on that one, despite several people asking. All I can see is an appeal for women to be kiiiiiiiind; which, given how the covid boards went and the fact it was three years ago, is really shutting the stable door after the horse is to hell and long gone.

I'm not sure the OP even knows what she wants from this thread.

bookworm14 · 15/03/2023 16:05

CoffeeWithCheese · 15/03/2023 15:57

Thoughtcrime and wrongthink innit?

Won't get any apologies for me - what the stupid ill-thought out, brutally inhumane lockdowns and their cheerleading crew did was fucking vile and we're still seeing the consequences now.

If me saying that hurtys feelings... I'll refer you to what I was told, on this PARENTING site when my then 7 year old autistic daughter was sobbing and unable to sleep because of how much sad there was in her brain... "perfect chance for her to learn some resilience then"

Eloquent as always, CoffeeWithCheese. ❤️

KnittingNeedles · 15/03/2023 16:05

Why is this being brought up now, 3 years after the threads were active?

Very odd.

gamerchick · 15/03/2023 16:03

Hearing twilight zone music reading this thread like. What is it you're wanting OP?

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 16:02

Yeah no apology from me either. Those threads were a response to us being hounded off the main boards when we tried to express any concerns over lockdown policies. No one had to read them if they didn’t have to. And they made up probably 0.01% of posts at the time, with the rest of the boards being entirely dominated by those telling us to just ‘stay the fuck at home’.

EmmaEmerald · 15/03/2023 15:58

CoffeeWithCheese · 15/03/2023 15:57

Thoughtcrime and wrongthink innit?

Won't get any apologies for me - what the stupid ill-thought out, brutally inhumane lockdowns and their cheerleading crew did was fucking vile and we're still seeing the consequences now.

If me saying that hurtys feelings... I'll refer you to what I was told, on this PARENTING site when my then 7 year old autistic daughter was sobbing and unable to sleep because of how much sad there was in her brain... "perfect chance for her to learn some resilience then"

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/03/2023 15:58

I just would rather that didn’t involve ridiculing others. Or making sweeping assumptions, dismissing them - calling them a dementor or a Covidiot. Or jumping on them and tearing them apart when they disagree

Welcome to the internet, welcome to life, welcome to human nature under intolerable stress and fear.

Were you on MN at the time and did you say anything about what you see as ridicule and abuse? because wishing that something that happened three years ago hadn't happened (and don't we all have our thoughts on that one) is futile.

EmmaEmerald · 15/03/2023 15:57

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:53

I dunno. No not deleting. I can see people need a place to express their hardship.

I just would rather that didn’t involve ridiculing others. Or making sweeping assumptions, dismissing them - calling them a dementor or a Covidiot. Or jumping on them and tearing them apart when they disagree.

So what did you want from MN by putting this on "site stuff"?

CoffeeWithCheese · 15/03/2023 15:57

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:55

So do you want a mass apology for the things we said 3 years ago?

Thoughtcrime and wrongthink innit?

Won't get any apologies for me - what the stupid ill-thought out, brutally inhumane lockdowns and their cheerleading crew did was fucking vile and we're still seeing the consequences now.

If me saying that hurtys feelings... I'll refer you to what I was told, on this PARENTING site when my then 7 year old autistic daughter was sobbing and unable to sleep because of how much sad there was in her brain... "perfect chance for her to learn some resilience then"

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:55

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:53

I dunno. No not deleting. I can see people need a place to express their hardship.

I just would rather that didn’t involve ridiculing others. Or making sweeping assumptions, dismissing them - calling them a dementor or a Covidiot. Or jumping on them and tearing them apart when they disagree.

So do you want a mass apology for the things we said 3 years ago?

MinkyGreen · 15/03/2023 15:53

I dunno. No not deleting. I can see people need a place to express their hardship.

I just would rather that didn’t involve ridiculing others. Or making sweeping assumptions, dismissing them - calling them a dementor or a Covidiot. Or jumping on them and tearing them apart when they disagree.

OP posts:
Overthinkingnotdrinking · 15/03/2023 15:47

I had to spend all day in an EPU fully of lonely, frightened, masked crying women. Wanted to post about while it was happening as I needed a handhold but knew I’d be ripped apart so didn’t. Couldn’t even get support when potentially miscarrying on a parenting site as I knew there would be posters jumping on me for daring to use the nhs or being sad women were going through it all alone. Mumsnet was not a supportive site at the time if you said anything about the lockdowns being hard on you.

DanceMonster · 15/03/2023 15:45

What are you hoping to achieve here OP? Do you want the 3 year old threads deleting?

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