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Mumsnet undermining breastfeeding again.

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Redebs · 12/03/2023 11:52

Just read the Mumsnet article on caring for newborn babies. It's sponsored by a bottle manufacturer.

Much of it is misinformation that will seriously interfere with mothers' success with breastfeeding. For example trying to get a feeding routine for a two month old baby. This is totally against normal practice for on demand breastfeeding.

Anyone aiming for regular naps will be seriously frustrated and will think there is something wrong with them and their baby. Night feeding is treated as if it's a massive burden that should be shared by using a bottle.The massively negative impact of inaccurate information and expectations is aimed at discouraging breastfeeding.

There's a 'helpful' link to another article on 'combination feeding' aka introducing formula, along with references to a whole lot of bottle feeding products you should buy.

The WHO condemns companies that use misinformation and pressure on mothers not to breastfeed. While it may be subtly disguised, that is exactly what articles like this are doing.

And for money.

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ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:46

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 23:27

A lot of women I know only wanted to breastfeed for the first few weeks, as they knew the colostrum was the most beneficial part and wanted the baby to have that, but didn’t want to do longer term breastfeeding for one reason or another.

In other cases mum may have a ‘preference’ for breastfeeding but not a strong one, and stop when she decides she’s had enough.

It’s not always a case of ‘80% start off breastfeeding so if they’re not still doing it 6 months later something has gone wrong’.

Many women are happy to try it but simply don’t feel strongly enough about it to keep going if it no longer works for them 🤷🏼‍♀️

Agree with this. No reason to assume all of that 80% want to carry on to 6 months or beyond.

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:41

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 23:30

Exactly! You’re being questioned like this is a thread you started titled ‘Breastfeeding is worse than formula, here’s why’.

When actually it’s the opposite - a breastfeeding mum interfering in the safe and valid choices of other people and offering unsolicited ‘advice’, before accusing them of being ‘anti-breastfeeding’ just because they don’t want to be lectured or controlled. It’s madness!

That was classic DARVO, accusing others of being ‘angry’. Projection, much?!

Then the other poster sneering about only 5% of women not being able to breastfeed and if anyone dares not to, it must be because they’re either too thick to withstand the wiles of the evil advertisers, or they just haven’t had enough ‘support’ to make the approved, correct choice.

Who then turns out to have apparently found it really difficult to bf herself, while somehow coming out of that experience devoid of empathy for anyonr in a similar boat. Unless it’s a case of ‘I suffered, so I think you should too’.

There’s something about bf that brings out in some a need to judge and attempt to control other women like nothing else.

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 23:30

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:17

i’m not anti breastfeeding. I’m more than happy that those who want to do it are helped to do so as much as possible.

I just don’t want formula to be demonised, or mothers who use it to be patronised and shamed.

Exactly! You’re being questioned like this is a thread you started titled ‘Breastfeeding is worse than formula, here’s why’.

When actually it’s the opposite - a breastfeeding mum interfering in the safe and valid choices of other people and offering unsolicited ‘advice’, before accusing them of being ‘anti-breastfeeding’ just because they don’t want to be lectured or controlled. It’s madness!

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 23:27

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 23:01

Most women in the UK (80% it used to be, not sure of the latest statistics) start off BFing. It's a minority who don't want to BF whatsoever and it's a smaller minority who genuinely don't produce enough milk. Most women want to be successful at BFing so the fact that most end up buying formula isn't really the end of it at all.

A lot of women I know only wanted to breastfeed for the first few weeks, as they knew the colostrum was the most beneficial part and wanted the baby to have that, but didn’t want to do longer term breastfeeding for one reason or another.

In other cases mum may have a ‘preference’ for breastfeeding but not a strong one, and stop when she decides she’s had enough.

It’s not always a case of ‘80% start off breastfeeding so if they’re not still doing it 6 months later something has gone wrong’.

Many women are happy to try it but simply don’t feel strongly enough about it to keep going if it no longer works for them 🤷🏼‍♀️

Prochoice11 · 12/03/2023 23:25

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:13

Me too!

I love formula and C sections and medication, as much as I love central heating and clean water. Thank God we live in the 21st century, with all the benefits that brings. We’re so incredibly lucky to have a safe food for infants that provides the nutrition they need if their mothers can’t bf or prefer not to.

Me too!!! I assumed they all had100% natural births with zero pain relief or intervention and would have been happy to bleed to death like so many women in the good old pre formula days though. Get on the cow and gate guys dabble in the dark side you know you want to if only your nursery kids would accept the dreaded silicone teat

Prochoice11 · 12/03/2023 23:22

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 23:14

To decide which one to buy..?

we are spoilt for choice the ads help us decide. You’ve only got 2 boobs

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:17

i’m not anti breastfeeding. I’m more than happy that those who want to do it are helped to do so as much as possible.

I just don’t want formula to be demonised, or mothers who use it to be patronised and shamed.

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 23:14

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 23:10

If women have already decided not to BF, why do they need an advert for formula?

To decide which one to buy..?

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 23:14

Frezia · 12/03/2023 23:10

Good luck OP, but don't get your hopes up. Mumsnet is staunchly anti-breastfeeding as I'm sure you've figured out by now. Formula is the sacred cow of infant feeding on here.

What has anyone said that is ‘anti’? Quote?

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:13

IneedanewTV · 12/03/2023 23:08

How did we feed babies before FF?
we didn’t, babies died.

how did we deliver babies before c sections? We didn’t, babies and mothers died.

I would not have survived both of my pregnancies. My first was in special care and my second was born with a knot on the cord.

i know what I prefer - 21st century with choice.

Me too!

I love formula and C sections and medication, as much as I love central heating and clean water. Thank God we live in the 21st century, with all the benefits that brings. We’re so incredibly lucky to have a safe food for infants that provides the nutrition they need if their mothers can’t bf or prefer not to.

Frezia · 12/03/2023 23:10

Good luck OP, but don't get your hopes up. Mumsnet is staunchly anti-breastfeeding as I'm sure you've figured out by now. Formula is the sacred cow of infant feeding on here.

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 23:10

OzzyOzworn · 12/03/2023 23:06

But some women don’t want to for a million reasons. And that’s ok guys. And so the adverts relevant to them. It wasn’t intended for you lot anyway-wrong audience-so ignore it:)

If women have already decided not to BF, why do they need an advert for formula?

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:09

And how much ‘support’ do you think there can be that prevents mastitis? Have you had it? It’s excruciating. And breastfeeding can be incredibly painful without that. Not to mention restrictive and inconvenient.

It’s ok for women to want to not be in agony multiple times a day. It’s ok for women to choose an option that ensures their mental health.

OzzyOzworn · 12/03/2023 23:09

SueVineer · 12/03/2023 23:02

Always the “my breastfeeding journey was hard” as if they’re just such martyrs to persevere. I went straight to formula with my second- making your baby hungry and everyone miserable benefits no one.

I have exact same story and both my teenagers are great although ironically the bf one has awful immunity, loads of allergies and academically struggles. Formula only one us flying on all counts. Thank god I saw that insidious advert for SMA formula 15 years ago 😂

IneedanewTV · 12/03/2023 23:08

How did we feed babies before FF?
we didn’t, babies died.

how did we deliver babies before c sections? We didn’t, babies and mothers died.

I would not have survived both of my pregnancies. My first was in special care and my second was born with a knot on the cord.

i know what I prefer - 21st century with choice.

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:07

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 23:05

I completely get why lots of women find it difficult! That's why there should be better support and the last thing needed is insidious formula advertising which was the original point of this thread.

And how do you think that shaming other women will help with your aim?

OzzyOzworn · 12/03/2023 23:06

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 23:05

I completely get why lots of women find it difficult! That's why there should be better support and the last thing needed is insidious formula advertising which was the original point of this thread.

But some women don’t want to for a million reasons. And that’s ok guys. And so the adverts relevant to them. It wasn’t intended for you lot anyway-wrong audience-so ignore it:)

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:06

IneedanewTV · 12/03/2023 22:54

Your message is so rude and insulting. I am quite upset by it.

it always amazes me how women slag off other women for bottle feeding, breast feeding, nursery, sahm, working mum etc. When actually we are all trying out best and no one way of doing something is better than another way. What’s the expression….you do you and I’ll do me. I can’t imagine men doing this to other men.

People who write posts like these clearly get off on making moral judgements of others and feeling all smug and superior that they’re ‘better’. Perhaps it’s a symptom of low self-esteem.

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 23:05

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:02

So if if wasn’t easy for you, how come you don’t appear to get why lots of other women find it difficult, or prefer to formula feed?

I completely get why lots of women find it difficult! That's why there should be better support and the last thing needed is insidious formula advertising which was the original point of this thread.

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 23:02

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 22:53

My body doesn't produce toothpaste or soap so yes I buy it.

And don't presume to know anything about my BFing experience. It was far from easy to begin with and I don't consider that I was particularly lucky.

So if if wasn’t easy for you, how come you don’t appear to get why lots of other women find it difficult, or prefer to formula feed?

SueVineer · 12/03/2023 23:02

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 22:53

My body doesn't produce toothpaste or soap so yes I buy it.

And don't presume to know anything about my BFing experience. It was far from easy to begin with and I don't consider that I was particularly lucky.

Always the “my breastfeeding journey was hard” as if they’re just such martyrs to persevere. I went straight to formula with my second- making your baby hungry and everyone miserable benefits no one.

Caviarandgelatine · 12/03/2023 23:01

OzzyOzworn · 12/03/2023 22:54

Sone women don’t produce enough milk either so they buy it. Some just want to buy it. That’s really the end of that isn’t it.

Most women in the UK (80% it used to be, not sure of the latest statistics) start off BFing. It's a minority who don't want to BF whatsoever and it's a smaller minority who genuinely don't produce enough milk. Most women want to be successful at BFing so the fact that most end up buying formula isn't really the end of it at all.

Fromwetome · 12/03/2023 23:00

@DNAshelicase I was a 30 week prem baby who spent 8 weeks in NICU my mum was also in ICU for 10 days after I was born and her milk never came in so I wasn't breastfed. Not to mention she was pumped full of drugs. You have all the answers so please can tell my mum that whilst she was unconscious and intubated in ICU she didn't try hard enough to breastfeed me.
Clown.

SueVineer · 12/03/2023 22:58

ReedRite · 12/03/2023 22:14

And so were sky high rates of infant mortality.

I remember having a massive penny drop moment while bfing through tears of pain that this was one of the reasons so many babies died back in the day. That it wasn’t just infection, it was the fact that evolution dropped an almighty bollock with breastfeeding, when we evolved a system that doesn’t work well in such a significant % of women and babies.

Yeah, I felt so guilty and awful not being able to breastfeed my first. I’m so angry about it now - nothing wrong at all with formula feeding. Formula feeding literally saves millions every day

OzzyOzworn · 12/03/2023 22:56

IneedanewTV · 12/03/2023 22:54

Your message is so rude and insulting. I am quite upset by it.

it always amazes me how women slag off other women for bottle feeding, breast feeding, nursery, sahm, working mum etc. When actually we are all trying out best and no one way of doing something is better than another way. What’s the expression….you do you and I’ll do me. I can’t imagine men doing this to other men.

I do hope all these breastfeeding nursery goers will be heading to the best private schools next year as that’s what’s best. 😅😂

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