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ofwarren · 11/02/2023 09:26

Hi,

The Nicola Bulley thread must have been hidden overnight by nightwatch. I wasn't on it at the time to see what happened.
Are we allowed the post back or are we not allowed to discuss it now?

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melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:46

Possibly I’m being paranoid. But this is the effect of shutting down conversation.

ofwarren · 11/02/2023 12:45

ThisOrdinaryLife · 11/02/2023 12:40

On a wider point can anyone explain how a missing persons enquiry becomes a criminal investigation? Is there a key criteria that has to happen to move it from one to the other when there is no obvious forensic evidence nor a body? As far as I can recall Claudia Lawrence also seemed to disappear with no trace and yet I think that investigation at some point must have moved from a missing persons inquiry to suspected criminal activity.

Im not sure but it would be interesting to know what line of enquiry they would have taken if there was no river there. Would they have opened a criminal investigation then?

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melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:40

It also felt at times that it was people working inside the police who were trying to zap the thread - hope I’m not getting too conspiracy like here - with the exception of one regular poster who was local and police related. So that makes it even more important we’re allowed to discuss and raise awareness.

Can you say what made you feel it was the police themselves trying to get the thread deleted?

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:43

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 11/02/2023 11:39

The police has said not to speculate online. For me that means inferring and making defamatory comments. Hypotheses and expressing genuine concern around what has happened to Nicola and the police's handling of the case should be a given in a democratic society.

Paul has said he wants the surrounding land and buildings to be searched as that particular trail is really only known to and frequented by the local community. He knows Nicola, knows the area and has two little girls that want to know what's happened to their mummy. He deserves to be heard after two weeks of 'unprecedented hell' and given that noone else has the insight he has. He is feeling angry and frustrated and personally I think discussion needs to continue albeit in a sensitive and sensible manner.

I think this point he made about it being someone local is key.

Paul seems exceptionally intelligent and I am sure he will carry on looking for resources to help. Presumably he only found Peter Faulding due to all the media coverage .

JaneJeffer · 11/02/2023 12:42

Bluebellwood129 · 11/02/2023 10:31

Websleuths has some interesting discussion. There's a post about a Strava account - someone who visited the area from the village in the window after the phone and Willow was found, the route they took and why they may be of interest.

Have the police been informed?

ThisOrdinaryLife · 11/02/2023 12:40

On a wider point can anyone explain how a missing persons enquiry becomes a criminal investigation? Is there a key criteria that has to happen to move it from one to the other when there is no obvious forensic evidence nor a body? As far as I can recall Claudia Lawrence also seemed to disappear with no trace and yet I think that investigation at some point must have moved from a missing persons inquiry to suspected criminal activity.

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:40

It also felt at times that it was people working inside the police who were trying to zap the thread - hope I’m not getting too conspiracy like here - with the exception of one regular poster who was local and police related. So that makes it even more important we’re allowed to discuss and raise awareness.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 11/02/2023 12:39

I'd like to point out that I am a dippy blonde and still don't think I'd manage to get into trouble in that part of the river.

confounded234 · 11/02/2023 12:38

BeigeCar · 11/02/2023 12:35

There is absolutely plenty to discuss and why the hell should women not talk among themselves about a mum of two small dc who disappeared in unusual circumstances? Hmm

Recently we have had police raping and killing young women, insight into sexist and abusive police culture as well as women and children murdered by their male partner. We have incels sprouting online hate and spreading misogyny and the easy to access online violent porn culture.

There is SO much to discuss with the case of missing NB including why she gets all the spotlight but other cases don't get a look in (pretty, middle class, sim etc). I swear there are so many angles of misogyny in this case. The police force itself will be handling this with bags and bags of 'unconscious' bias.

It is for example rather ludicrous of the police to expect us to believe NB fell into the river as if she were a dippy blonde rather than an athletic woman who knows the area very well and is a good swimmer.

Paul himself is promoting publicity and media is participatory not one way so of course people will discuss this online. We are faced with news about NB and talking all the many weird aspects of this through in a respectful way helps to process this shit. Ultimately all women are at risk so naturally many of us are interested.

Please stop trying to shut down a conversation between women. Seriously.

Well said

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:37

I don’t mean not speculating I mean not blaming individuals.

melonraspberry · 11/02/2023 12:36

Firstly Paul clearly wants it to be discussed or he wouldn’t have appeared on a prime time tv show.

secondly, a few of us have been trying to help moderate the threads by reporting comments that blame individuals. I guess at 3am there were less of us on and also MN probably has less resources to monitor.

and thirdly the threads seem to go batshit in the evenings!

I wonder if we could start a new thread and put a warning on the intro re not speculating, and more of us could report unnecessary comments. It may be zapped overnight , so maybe we could name them by date and just start a daily one?

BeigeCar · 11/02/2023 12:35

There is absolutely plenty to discuss and why the hell should women not talk among themselves about a mum of two small dc who disappeared in unusual circumstances? Hmm

Recently we have had police raping and killing young women, insight into sexist and abusive police culture as well as women and children murdered by their male partner. We have incels sprouting online hate and spreading misogyny and the easy to access online violent porn culture.

There is SO much to discuss with the case of missing NB including why she gets all the spotlight but other cases don't get a look in (pretty, middle class, sim etc). I swear there are so many angles of misogyny in this case. The police force itself will be handling this with bags and bags of 'unconscious' bias.

It is for example rather ludicrous of the police to expect us to believe NB fell into the river as if she were a dippy blonde rather than an athletic woman who knows the area very well and is a good swimmer.

Paul himself is promoting publicity and media is participatory not one way so of course people will discuss this online. We are faced with news about NB and talking all the many weird aspects of this through in a respectful way helps to process this shit. Ultimately all women are at risk so naturally many of us are interested.

Please stop trying to shut down a conversation between women. Seriously.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 11/02/2023 12:35

My DH would be concerned if I was nearly 45 minutes late and not answering my phone. And given that she would usually be home at 09.45 would imply she should have been on her way to the car at 09.20 if not in it. Not sat on the bench.

Lavenderzen · 11/02/2023 12:35

Bless you EarringsandLipstick.

confounded234 · 11/02/2023 12:34

EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:32

@ofwarren

Can you not see the difference in how the Times reports it? And the Guardian pieces? And on BBC?

For someone who thinks it shouldn’t be discussing it at all, you seem to be spending a lot of time on here covering it and have spent a lot of time reading all the news reports.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 11/02/2023 12:33

It's seven threads long because they have filled up quickly with those protesting as well. @EarringsandLipstick you are a major contributor to this thread whether you like it or not. This is said respectfully.

ofwarren · 11/02/2023 12:32

EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:31

@ofwarren

Exactly. 'Prurient media' as I said. It's typical tabloid exploitative reporting.

In the other papers & broadcasts, it's covered but with less highlighting, focus & clickbait style writing

You want the headlines from all the local press too?
International press?

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EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:32

@ofwarren

Can you not see the difference in how the Times reports it? And the Guardian pieces? And on BBC?

EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:31

@ofwarren

Exactly. 'Prurient media' as I said. It's typical tabloid exploitative reporting.

In the other papers & broadcasts, it's covered but with less highlighting, focus & clickbait style writing

NightsThatStartWithWhiskey · 11/02/2023 12:30

30-45 mins seems very quick to be checking someone’s whereabouts and preparing to go out looking for them doesn’t it?

Not really. She would have probably been expected to be home to work so wouldn’t have just chatted to a friend for ages.

If my partner was 45 minutes later back from dropping our daughter off at school, that he does every day, didn’t call and didn’t answer his phone, I’d know something had happened. I wouldn’t be panicking, but I’d be wondering what was wrong. He has to start work so wouldn’t be late unless something had happened. It’s not like being 45 minutes later home than you said from a night out when you’re not going to be late got anything. It was daytime and the routine was kids, dog walk, work at home.

Christmaspyjamas · 11/02/2023 12:29

Utterly bizarre and distasteful sense of entitlement here that someone provide you with a forum to speculate ignorantly on a missing woman.

Have you really nothing better to do...maybe volunteering?

EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:29

Again, what business is it of yours? Why do you think it’s appropriate to be on here admonishing people?

Well, what business is this tragic case of any of the posters championing the endless threads?

I'm commenting about how inappropriate I think these threads are. Why is that not permissible, if you are all for people having the right to discuss and offer opinions? 🤷🏻‍♀️

ofwarren · 11/02/2023 12:28

EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:24

Imagine thinking people shouldn't discuss a case which is on the front page of every newspaper

Actually it is not. The case is now being given a certain amount of attention & updates by the media - most of it - and is not front & centre of every bulletin.

Precisely as it's a tragic family matter, and while at some point, there will be an update and hopefully outcome, there is little new to report at this point.

(The prurient media is of course inappropriately milking the situation)

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ofwarren · 11/02/2023 12:27

EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:24

Imagine thinking people shouldn't discuss a case which is on the front page of every newspaper

Actually it is not. The case is now being given a certain amount of attention & updates by the media - most of it - and is not front & centre of every bulletin.

Precisely as it's a tragic family matter, and while at some point, there will be an update and hopefully outcome, there is little new to report at this point.

(The prurient media is of course inappropriately milking the situation)

Yes it is

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EarringsandLipstick · 11/02/2023 12:26

There was plenty to discuss

Plenty to speculate and gossip about, I think you mean - this is a tragic case for a family and her close friends. Why do you think it's appropriate to post endlessly on it - on 7 threads?

Again, what business is it of yours? Why do you think it’s appropriate to be on here admonishing people?