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How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 17:59

three threads deleted in FWR

come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

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lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 20:40

Lets face it.
You wanted to spark the flames and hoped the thread would turn into a massive fight which would end up in the DM and you’d just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

I know this poster from other boards on Mumsnet. Definitely not the case.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:39

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yep

seeing all this here

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:39

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:38

So you’re not going to bother answering my questions then??

Even though it was you that started the thread and wanted to encourage discussion??

Lets face it.
You wanted to spark the flames and hoped the thread would turn into a massive fight which would end up in the DM and you’d just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

You can’t start a thread about the large numbers of men coming to the UK from other cultures and then refuse to answer any questions about it and accuse anyone who questions you that they have a bad tone or accusing you of racism or trying to get the thread shut down, if that was the case we’d just report it and get it deleted.

when you ask a question that doesn't assume a bad faith position on my part, I'll answer it

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BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 20:39

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CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:38

So you’re not going to bother answering my questions then??

Even though it was you that started the thread and wanted to encourage discussion??

Lets face it.
You wanted to spark the flames and hoped the thread would turn into a massive fight which would end up in the DM and you’d just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

You can’t start a thread about the large numbers of men coming to the UK from other cultures and then refuse to answer any questions about it and accuse anyone who questions you that they have a bad tone or accusing you of racism or trying to get the thread shut down, if that was the case we’d just report it and get it deleted.

EmmaAgain22 · 28/11/2022 20:38

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:34

yeah, people are pissing me off

to be honest, I don't know as much about this subject as I'd like to

I was hoping to hear from people with interesting and informative things to say

instead I've had a bunch of people trying to tell me I'm racist for asking questions...like you just have

don't worry, we know you're not being racist
just as we all know you're going to die upside down on the floor of a pub toilet Wink

in terms of learning, also as per deleted thread, does anyone know if the Home Office make any attempt to address these issues?

LocSeeTan · 28/11/2022 20:38

Move to Wolverhampton, Bradford, Coventry and live in my shoes.

totalnamechanger · 28/11/2022 20:36

The problem is misogyny. There is institutional misogyny in the police force and across many, many organisations in the UK that cannot be attributed to race (indeed as we all know there is instructional racism in these organisations too).

Until women in the UK can join as a collective, without the interference of ‘liberal’ men who think they know better than women know about what women want and need and indeed who we are, we are not in a position to combat any forms of misogyny outside those which stem from factors unrelated to British born and raised men.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:34

Summerhillsquare · 28/11/2022 20:32

You're awfully defensive considering you're not a racist, OP.

yeah, people are pissing me off

to be honest, I don't know as much about this subject as I'd like to

I was hoping to hear from people with interesting and informative things to say

instead I've had a bunch of people trying to tell me I'm racist for asking questions...like you just have

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EmmaAgain22 · 28/11/2022 20:34

It might be best to carry on the discussion with those concentrating on the actual topic. No point letting people create a bun fight.

I imagine a lot of us are immigrants, children of immigrants, married to immigrants as per the deleted threads. I don't feel the need to attach other labels to men who cause trouble.

Summerhillsquare · 28/11/2022 20:32

You're awfully defensive considering you're not a racist, OP.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 20:31

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 20:22

If you want to start a reasonable discussion, maybe post a question that isn't inflammatory and racist in tone. The question at the start of this thread insinuates the vast majority of men granted immigration status in the UK are dangerous to the communities they now live among. Where's the proof of that?

But it isn't racist and goady it is simply asking to talk about an issue that arises.

Why don't you think that women should be able to talk about an issue that affects them?

ingenvillvetavardukoptdintroja · 28/11/2022 20:31

I thought a lot of the grooming gangs who'd been convicted were born and raised in the UK, not recent refugees? Certainly the case in Bristol. All educated here.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:30

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:23

your question makes rude and insulting assumptions about my position. try again

Why are you being so difficult?

You started a thread to discuss issues, yet you’re being pretty aggressive in your replies like me or other posters are singling you out but you are the one that’s created the thread.

Your thread title is about large numbers of men coming in to the UK from other cultures.

So I’m wondering what your views are - considering it’s your thread.

So…
Is it all foreign men?

And is it just foreign men from a certain class or would it be ok if they all earned over £30k a year?

What about Freddie Mercury for example, he worked as a baggage handler at Heathrow airport with a bunch of other foreign men.
So would he have been ok or not?

why are you being so difficult?

because your tone has been rude from the get go:

To stop refugees coming into this country as ‘foreign men are a danger to females’.

you sound like you have relevant and interesting things to say on this. but I'll never know what they are because you're too busy trying to close down the conversation by implying everyone else is racist. heaven knows why

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lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 20:29

If I started a thread saying all foreign women are an issue because they agree with FGM and are a danger to females, I would be completely wrong and racist.

And rightly so. But NOT ONE person has said that all foreign males are an issue. So it's a false equivalence.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:28

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 20:24

a question that isn't goady as fuck for example?

Right there 👆

That poster you quoted gave you a clear question. You responded with the above. Pure aggression, you completely disregarded the question and clearly looking for an argument/reaction. Goading.

@CarefreeMe also said this when someone asked what the thread was about

To stop refugees coming into this country as ‘foreign men are a danger to females’.

a stupidly goady resonse

why does people talking about this make you so uncomfortable that you have to be rude to shut it down?

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:25

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 20:22

If you want to start a reasonable discussion, maybe post a question that isn't inflammatory and racist in tone. The question at the start of this thread insinuates the vast majority of men granted immigration status in the UK are dangerous to the communities they now live among. Where's the proof of that?

can you please explain what was racist about the tone of the question?

frankly I view a large part of the problem as the fact that we have large groups of unattached young men without the grounding affect of family and who are not allowed to keep busy by working

does that make me a racist?

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FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 20:24

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:18

what is goady about my question?

can you be specific?

a question that isn't goady as fuck for example?

Right there 👆

That poster you quoted gave you a clear question. You responded with the above. Pure aggression, you completely disregarded the question and clearly looking for an argument/reaction. Goading.

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:23

your question makes rude and insulting assumptions about my position. try again

Why are you being so difficult?

You started a thread to discuss issues, yet you’re being pretty aggressive in your replies like me or other posters are singling you out but you are the one that’s created the thread.

Your thread title is about large numbers of men coming in to the UK from other cultures.

So I’m wondering what your views are - considering it’s your thread.

So…
Is it all foreign men?

And is it just foreign men from a certain class or would it be ok if they all earned over £30k a year?

What about Freddie Mercury for example, he worked as a baggage handler at Heathrow airport with a bunch of other foreign men.
So would he have been ok or not?

VollywoodHampires · 28/11/2022 20:23

Olivred · 28/11/2022 18:19

This thread is just looking to still up trouble. Sounds like a Daily Express headline

Rubbish. It’s a very important topic that needs wider discussion.

HomerDancing · 28/11/2022 20:22

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 18:01

and it's pure ignorance to dismiss this as racism

so disappointing

Hugely agree

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 20:22

If you want to start a reasonable discussion, maybe post a question that isn't inflammatory and racist in tone. The question at the start of this thread insinuates the vast majority of men granted immigration status in the UK are dangerous to the communities they now live among. Where's the proof of that?

anniegun · 28/11/2022 20:19

Can you be specific about which cultures you think are composed of "dangerous men"? Indians, Pakistanis, Poles, Irish or Germans? They are the largest non UK born populations

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 28/11/2022 20:19

I live in a refugee settlement area, in all honesty the biggest issue seems to be suspicion from locals and the fact they' roam the streets ' (( they roam the streets to ease boredom, they can't work and have no money. ))

They haven't done anything to anyone and have been here a few years now.......my bigger issue is the fact that Ukrainian refugees were cosseted, Given the immediate right to work, they've had special days out and meet ups to integrate. World's apart from how these young none white men are treated who are also fleeing war. And who are also somebodies son.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:18

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 20:16

Hypocritical much? 😂

what is goady about my question?

can you be specific?

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