How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

It would be if that was true and people had done that. But they haven't. Except for you.
It's just you that keeps doing that.

@BacklogBritain

The first thread was titled ‘foreign men’ and the OP said how foreign men were a danger etc.

This thread title is ‘large numbers of men from other cultures’

I’m not the one grouping an entire population of people into a specific category, which is offensive.

It’s hardly NAMALT don’t be naive.

I’m aware of their backward and misogynistic laws. Really I am. But I’m not going to sit around and point the finger at every single non-white male who dares to approach UK shores of holding the same views. Some will. Some won’t.

You asked why is it racist to point out men from that region might share those attitudes towards women.

I explained why it is racist. Other posters have too.

It’s also Qatar, not Quatar. If you’re going to use examples of their laws at least spell it right and look as if you’re doing your research.

Because the Middle East is a huge area made up of men and women from different societal groups and have different attitudes.

All of the men I know who come from the Middle East treat women with respect.

My teenage son is autistic. This is really really offensive. Autistic children are not brought up to treat women as lesser humans.

Thank you for proving my point.

Talking about someone’s race or culture is fair game on here and it’s only when you bring something else into, do people realise how offensive they’re being.

I’m autistic, my child is autistic and I work with autistic children.

I also work with victims of DV and sexual abuse, including those associated with Asian grooming gangs.

For a long time those with special needs were seen as sexual predators (and still are in some cases).
Many of which were wrongly imprisoned because they were tarred with the same brush as other autistic people who had committed crimes (sounding familiar?).

I think the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the problematic tone of your original question is because deep down you know it was inflammatory and intended it to be. You're clearly not stupid – you know there were so many other ways you could've asked that question.

OH and to be clear I do mean the middle east region. It was Algerian immigrants in France who I had the delight of being objectified by and harassed by when I was a teenager. It is hard to explain but the nature of the harassment was different from that of men of a culture that doesn't treat women as lesser humans. But I can't talk about that. Because racism.

I didn't say that women's rights was the only issue in the Middle East. I used Quatar and the world cup as an example.

In Quatar women can ONLY BE MARRIED WITH THE PERMISSION OF A MALE GUARDIAN who also get's to choose if she can study, drive and travel.

But nothing to see here.

But of course men from this region won't share those values because they are immigrants and we can't make assumptions. Even though I have first hand experience of the way men from the middle east treat women from my own lived experience.

This is NAMALT all over again.

What about Steve Wright, Peter Sutcliffe, Jake Davidson, Wayne Couzens and the ongoing list of men who kill or abuse women because of their misogyny.

It’s disrespectful to the victims of these men to say that certain cultures pose much more of a risk than other cultures, when their perpetrators were all British.

You can say that other cultures pose a risk but you cannot say that they pose more of a risk than any other culture, when there is no actual proof of that.

Posters have mentioned Eastern Asian men on here but there are many other men in countries who have sexist views too, as well as many individuals in this country.

So do we stop them all from coming here?

Do we kick out everyone with a penis, regardless of country of birth?

Surely the best thing to do would have a no tolerance policy on misogyny, whether you were born and bred here or you arrived last week.

If you want to start a reasonable discussion, maybe post a question that isn't inflammatory and racist in tone. The question at the start of this thread insinuates the vast majority of men granted immigration status in the UK are dangerous to the communities they now live among.

I explained it in my very first post. It's the TONE of your post and the insinuation that makes it racist, not specific words. The fact you seem incapable of grasping that you don't have to be blatantly racist to be racist is part of the problem.

Please can you respond to my point upthread. Why is it that when people across the world have objected to the football world cup being held in Quatar because of it's human violations (a large part of which are against women), it is racist to point out that men who are immigrants from that region might share those attitudes towards women.

But it’s more than just attitudes towards women that a lot of people aren’t supporting FIFA holding the World Cup in Qatar.

It’s also about: Homophobia; it’s illegal to be gay in Qatar. You can serve a prison sentence right up to the death penalty (stoning). Migrant construction workers have been and are hugely exploited. They have a corrupt sponsorship programme that gives employers full control over the workers contracts, wages, accommodation etc. These things aren’t protected like ours are in the Western world. Thus resulting in poor living and working conditions and leading to deaths.

It isn’t the everyday people dictating these things. It’s their government. A very small proportion.

Now leading onto your point of it is racist to point out that men who are immigrants from that region might share those attitudes towards women. Yes, it is racist to assume men (or women) hold certain attitudes towards women just because of their race.

I’m not even sure why you are using Qatar as an example in your point because in Qatar most of the residents are ex-pars. The population of Qatar is:
Arab nationals 15%
Other Arab 13%
Nepalis 16%
Indian 24%
Filipino 11%
Sri Lankan 5%
Bangladeshi 5%

So when you say men who are immigrants from that region… do you mean all Arabs, Nepalis, Indians, Filipinos, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis? You think all of them may have certain attitudes towards women because they live in Qatars region?

Don't misrepresent what I posted or what I think.

You can't ascribe certain behaviours to people just because of where they come from.

Actually I'll retract my previous statement. I have said that.

The Middle East is under fire about human rights violations in respect of the World Cup. A lot of it's criticism is about the way women are treated there. What makes you think that men who come to the Uk from the middle east suddenly lose those attitudes toward women when that is the way they have been brought up? Why is it racist to ask this question?

All the ‘immigrants’ I know are bloody obsessed with feeding people. Can’t move for plates of food.

But, actually, I do think it's racist to lump all immigrant men from certain cultures together in the way you and others have been on this thread. It's like saying all football fans are hooligan, all blondes are dumb. You can't ascribe certain behaviours to people just because of where they come from. There are plenty of immigrant men who've don't behave like that towards women and that's what me and other PP are trying to point out.

But no one has done that.

Nope, I never said wanting to discuss the subject made you racist, I said the wording of your question was, in direct response to your OP asking what was a reasonable way to raise the topic. I stand by my original point that your question is unnecessarily inflammatory and if you try to start to a debate in that way, it's no wonder it gets shut down.

But, actually, I do think it's racist to lump all immigrant men from certain cultures together in the way you and others have been on this thread. It's like saying all football fans are hooligan, all blondes are dumb. You can't ascribe certain behaviours to people just because of where they come from. There are plenty of immigrant men who've don't behave like that towards women and that's what me and other PP are trying to point out.

I was thinking more how it’s culture if a colleague makes you a cup of tea, then you offer to make them a cup of tea when it’s refill time and you usually would offer to share your biscuits when they brought the tea over.

Many immigrants wouldn’t know this and would drink the tea and munch away on biscuits and have no idea they’re offending their new colleague by not making the next round of tea and not sharing biscuits.

It’s only quite recently where we’ve addressed things like grooming gangs, peado rings, people like Jimmy Saville, peado churches - it wasn’t that long ago where this was all swept under the carpet and women feared to come clean.

You are un-ironically saying this whilst saying that women pointing out that immigrants from certain cultures are more likely to treat women badly are racist. Wow.

The same way many women will have been raped with men with autism, it doesn’t mean that all autistic people are rapists and it’s not invalidating the victims to say so.

My teenage son is autistic. This is really really offensive. Autistic children are not brought up to treat women as lesser humans.

Even just learning about personal space and how you can’t lean up against another person on the Tube would be helpful. Some countries the personal space is much less or none at all! People literally used to shoulders touching, legs touching, front to back standing on transport. Most immigrants don’t want to accidentally offend or scare anyone.

I’m confused why someone would be angry about the tea drinking? Maybe I need a class.