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How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 17:59

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come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

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BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:17

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IneedanewTV · 28/11/2022 23:16

This thread just proves that we cannot explore or name the problems because we get called racist. When you put 100 men into a hotel with no work you are going to get problems. The hotel near me is now a no go area. It’s not safe for a woman or girl to walk past it because they will get cat called, followed, etc etc.

but let’s just shut women down because we know it’s not all men, it’s not all cultures, white Men are as bad, Jimmy saville , all the Arab men I know are respectful, not all men are The same blah blah blah. So if it’s not the men we all know who is it exactly because it isn’t women.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:15

Glitteratitar · 28/11/2022 23:00

Algeria is not part of the Middle East. Algeria is North African, which has a very different culture to other countries of the Middle East…

It depends on whether you view the Middle East as purely a geographical location or whether you view it on aligned political views of arab countries.

I'm using the latter definition which is also widely used globally.

mideast.unc.edu/where/

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 23:15

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:14

You can’t educate pork, sadly.

can you explain what you mean by this please?

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GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:12

I'm bloody proud to be anti-racist! I will wear that badge and wave that flag until the end of days. The fact that you've thrown out 'anti-racist warrior' as a supposed insult is hilarious – you have absolutely shown your true colours now.

I'm out. There's no point arguing with small minds and bigots.

You can’t educate pork, sadly.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 23:14

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:12

I'm bloody proud to be anti-racist! I will wear that badge and wave that flag until the end of days. The fact that you've thrown out 'anti-racist warrior' as a supposed insult is hilarious – you have absolutely shown your true colours now.

I'm out. There's no point arguing with small minds and bigots.

oh, you said you didn't think I was a racist but now you do because I've offended you?

okey dokey

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Glitteratitar · 28/11/2022 23:14

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:12

I'm bloody proud to be anti-racist! I will wear that badge and wave that flag until the end of days. The fact that you've thrown out 'anti-racist warrior' as a supposed insult is hilarious – you have absolutely shown your true colours now.

I'm out. There's no point arguing with small minds and bigots.

Glad you spotted that!

As though calling someone anti-racist is an insult…😂😂😂

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:13

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GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:12

I'm bloody proud to be anti-racist! I will wear that badge and wave that flag until the end of days. The fact that you've thrown out 'anti-racist warrior' as a supposed insult is hilarious – you have absolutely shown your true colours now.

I'm out. There's no point arguing with small minds and bigots.

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 23:12

It's completely different to men who have been brought up to believe that they own and control women and that women don't have rights to marry, study or travel without male permission.

You are being offensive to even compare the two scenarios.

Do you believe that women who are brought up in Afghanistan experience the same sexism that we do?

Do you believe that men who were raised there migrate to Western countries and automatically unlearn the fact that they have been 'conditioned' to view women as lesser humans?

Why would I offend myself mad my own child 🤔

If you have any experience with autism you will understand the very offensive claims that some people have.

Please do educate yourself as if you have a child, especially a son, this is a discrimination he will most likely face.

I believe the individual men have the same misogyny, regardless of what country they live in.

The difference being is that the individuals are supported by an entire network.
Whereas, in Western countries our system isn’t as misogynistic.

We have rapes, SA, murders, peados etc just like any other country because our men are just as sexist and predatory.

It would be ignorant to suggest that we don’t have an issue with male violence in this county.

But you are more likely to be prosecuted in this country than you are in Afganistan, although there have been men put in jail and to death for rape in Afganistan but it’s usually covered up before it gets to trial.

I would not like to be a British woman living in Afghanistan but I wouldn’t mind being in the UK with men from Afghanistan, as the individuals pose the same risks but the larger system is completely different.

Glitteratitar · 28/11/2022 23:12

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No but picking and choosing which countries you find to be the problem is a bit hypocritical…

Do you boycott all goods from China, India, Bangladesh, Russia, and every other country that either treats women like second class citizens or carries out human rights abuses?

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:10

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 23:09

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:06

Can you not read? I have articulated it. You raised the question of how immigrant men from certain cultures are being integrated into the UK communities they now live in. Given the current rhetoric about immigrants and 'invasions' it was blindingly obvious to me and many other PPs that the thread was designed to be negative towards certain cultures and THAT is what makes the question racist, because you're lumping immigrants in together. I've never said you are racist, I responded that the question you posed, when you asked why the discussion kept being shut down, could be taken that way.

Given the current rhetoric about immigrants and 'invasions' it was blindingly obvious to me and many other PPs that the thread was designed to be negative towards certain cultures

except it wasn't, you read stuff into it that wasn't there so you could feel like a great anti racist warrior

go you!

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Itisbetter · 28/11/2022 23:09

Do you have concerns about the large numbers of HK nationals arriving on our shores?

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:08

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GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:06

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 22:59

'problematic tone'

except you can't articulate what the problem is

and you can't give examples of where I've lumped together all men from certain cultures as you accused me of doing

in fact, you decided that I'm racist and you were going to take public umbrage so you could feel all warm inside didn't you?

Can you not read? I have articulated it. You raised the question of how immigrant men from certain cultures are being integrated into the UK communities they now live in. Given the current rhetoric about immigrants and 'invasions' it was blindingly obvious to me and many other PPs that the thread was designed to be negative towards certain cultures and THAT is what makes the question racist, because you're lumping immigrants in together. I've never said you are racist, I responded that the question you posed, when you asked why the discussion kept being shut down, could be taken that way.

Glitteratitar · 28/11/2022 23:05

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 22:53

I didn't say that women's rights was the only issue in the Middle East. I used Quatar and the world cup as an example.

In Quatar women can ONLY BE MARRIED WITH THE PERMISSION OF A MALE GUARDIAN who also get's to choose if she can study, drive and travel.

But nothing to see here.

But of course men from this region won't share those values because they are immigrants and we can't make assumptions. Even though I have first hand experience of the way men from the middle east treat women from my own lived experience.

This is NAMALT all over again.

And it was only 30 years ago that it was legal to rape your wife in the UK.

It takes time for countries to develop their human rights. The UK only got its act together over the past 50 years. Society is changing for the better but it takes time, and acting like the UK is superior when it was a recent thing here is a bit odd…

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:05

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 23:03

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I think people decide that stuff is racist and then go back and adjust things to fit their decision

that certainly seems to have happened today

and excellently proves the point that women find themselves unable to discuss abuse they suffer if it doesn't suit others

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BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:02

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 23:01

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:00

I'm not the only poster who's said it.

so what? the world is full of fools

if you've said it, you should be able to back it up

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lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:00

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 22:57

My teenage son is autistic. This is really really offensive. Autistic children are not brought up to treat women as lesser humans.

Thank you for proving my point.

Talking about someone’s race or culture is fair game on here and it’s only when you bring something else into, do people realise how offensive they’re being.

I’m autistic, my child is autistic and I work with autistic children.

I also work with victims of DV and sexual abuse, including those associated with Asian grooming gangs.

For a long time those with special needs were seen as sexual predators (and still are in some cases).
Many of which were wrongly imprisoned because they were tarred with the same brush as other autistic people who had committed crimes (sounding familiar?).

It's completely different to men who have been brought up to believe that they own and control women and that women don't have rights to marry, study or travel without male permission.

You are being offensive to even compare the two scenarios.

Do you believe that women who are brought up in Afghanistan experience the same sexism that we do?

Do you believe that men who were raised there migrate to Western countries and automatically unlearn the fact that they have been 'conditioned' to view women as lesser humans?

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 23:00

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I'm not the only poster who's said it.

Glitteratitar · 28/11/2022 23:00

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 22:56

OH and to be clear I do mean the middle east region. It was Algerian immigrants in France who I had the delight of being objectified by and harassed by when I was a teenager. It is hard to explain but the nature of the harassment was different from that of men of a culture that doesn't treat women as lesser humans. But I can't talk about that. Because racism.

Algeria is not part of the Middle East. Algeria is North African, which has a very different culture to other countries of the Middle East…

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 22:59

GoonerGirl5231 · 28/11/2022 22:56

I think the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the problematic tone of your original question is because deep down you know it was inflammatory and intended it to be. You're clearly not stupid – you know there were so many other ways you could've asked that question.

'problematic tone'

except you can't articulate what the problem is

and you can't give examples of where I've lumped together all men from certain cultures as you accused me of doing

in fact, you decided that I'm racist and you were going to take public umbrage so you could feel all warm inside didn't you?

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