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How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 17:59

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come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

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BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:34

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FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:34

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:32

Or do you think that these men don't deserve to be called out for it because they come from regions with poorer human rights records so can be forgiven?

A whole group of men do not deserve to be called out for it because of the colour of their skin and the region they are from. Well because, that’s racist. Isn’t it?

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:32

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:28

"Dense'

'You can't educate pork'

'racist'

About women pointing out that the culture of immigrants is relevant when it comes to the attacks of women in host countries.

Women who just want to be able to name the problem. If we can't name the problem then we can't protect other women from harm.

Please do not mask your racism and prejudice with martyr complex that you are wanting to protect women.

Immigrants and non-white men are not as big as a threat to women as you believe. Truly.

Please share your data from credible sources that back up your points.

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:32

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lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:32

Or do you think that these men don't deserve to be called out for it because they come from regions with poorer human rights records so can be forgiven?

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:31

I actually know the definition of racist though ….. You do not. Evidently

You think women who are naming a risk of harm to women, Women who want to be able to talk about it openly are racist? Or do you think these things don't happen? I'm confused?

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:30

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Onnabugeisha · 28/11/2022 23:29

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:22

Google is free you know.

I answered up thread. “You can’t educate pork” is a saying when somebody won’t listen to reason. That’s it. Nothing more to it. Continue ….

Oh, the casting pearls before swine allusion from the Bible then.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:28

"Dense'

'You can't educate pork'

'racist'

About women pointing out that the culture of immigrants is relevant when it comes to the attacks of women in host countries.

Women who just want to be able to name the problem. If we can't name the problem then we can't protect other women from harm.

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:28

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:26

No but I rather think you are.

I actually know the definition of racist though ….. You do not. Evidently.

Onnabugeisha · 28/11/2022 23:28

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Is this a pearls before swine Bible thumping allusion?

Or is this we have the word pork in English because of Norman immigrants teaching us French back in the day (porc is French for pig).

Glitteratitar · 28/11/2022 23:27

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:25

It takes time for countries to develop their human rights.

So in the meantimes incidents like the one in Cologne can happen but we can't talk about it because it's racist?

Oh I forgot where I said that. Please can you direct me to it?

Or, again, someone kept harping on about “Quatar” and I was responding to that 🙄

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:26

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:26

Are you being deliberately dense?

No but I rather think you are.

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:26

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:25

It takes time for countries to develop their human rights.

So in the meantimes incidents like the one in Cologne can happen but we can't talk about it because it's racist?

Are you being deliberately dense?

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:25

It takes time for countries to develop their human rights.

So in the meantimes incidents like the one in Cologne can happen but we can't talk about it because it's racist?

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:22

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Google is free you know.

I answered up thread. “You can’t educate pork” is a saying when somebody won’t listen to reason. That’s it. Nothing more to it. Continue ….

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:22

No but picking and choosing which countries you find to be the problem is a bit hypocritical…

I was using the country as an example of the hypocrisy which I stand by.

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 23:22

Do you have concerns about the large numbers of HK nationals arriving on our shores?

No

Yet women in Hong Kong also suffer DV, SA and raped by the hands of the men from
Hong Kong.

No matter how much you try and deny it, misogyny is inherent in many men (not all men but a very large proportion).

lifeturnsonadime · 28/11/2022 23:20

All of the men I know who come from the Middle East treat women with respect.

So - Not All Men Are Like That -just as I thought.

It is just like not all Trans women are like that. A sacred caste that we are bigoted for even acknowledging the existence of.

So yes not all Arab men treat women badly.. But we can't talk about the fact that migrant men have done so in France (huge problem for decades which I have first hand experience of ) and Germany (see Cologne and the media not wanting to name it) because we are being racist in pointing this out even though the attacks on women in those areas are because of the fact that these men have been raised to treat women as lesser women due to the culture of the regions they have migrated from?

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:20

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BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:18

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Glitteratitar · 28/11/2022 23:18

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Um, I was responding to someone who kept posting about Qatar. How am I deflecting…?

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:18

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See above. ✌

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 23:18

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FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:17

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 23:15

can you explain what you mean by this please?

You can’t educate someone who is so set in their beliefs that anything you say will not alter their mindset.

Hope that clarifies.