How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

I wouldn't be surprised if this thread were closed as well given the degree of truculence and lack of interest in civil discussion. Not in the spirit, as they say.

Someone, I don't know if it was you, seems to excuse the behaviour of migrants because the countries they come from 'need to catch up on human rights'

@lifeturnsonadime I already explained to you the context of that comment, which was in response to someone who kept going on and on about “Quatar”. That you just said the above shows you are being deliberately obtuse.

Actually some of us have to get up early for work. And debating with an irrational angry person who has words and little knowledge isn't enough to keep me from my bed. Sorry you're just not interesting enough 😄😉

Bye. The platform is all yours now.

Don’t we all love.

It’s just such a coincidence how you were very vocal until you were proven completely wrong.

Oh well I guess I’m irrational and angry even though I’m grinning from ear to ear that your misogynistic views have been called out.

Night night.

Sorry I posted to soon my final paragraph makes no sense, it should say: .

I think we are in danger of creating a sacred caste and if we can't name the issues for fear of being told we are racist, then we are failing the women and girls who are the victims of immigrant males who do offend.

And stats are missing the point.

The argument isn't that immigrants are bigger offenders. The argument is that we want to be able to talk about the reasons immigrants might offend without being accused of racism.

We can discuss why white males might offend but talking about why migrants might offend against women, in cultural terms, is racist.

I think that this is wrong. I think we are in danger of creating a sacred caste and if we can name the issues then we are failing the women and girls who are the victims of immigrant males who do offend.

I'm off to bed now.

Of course you are 😁

Maybe next time think before coming out with some BS about stats, when you know the stats will not back your crap up.

It feels good to have proven you’re a liar.

The stats are no where near even. So I’m not sure what point you were trying to make??

Bless. Maybe you'll be curious enough to go and look anyway eh.

You got me. I was 😂😂

@BacklogBritain

If you had any proof you would have posted it, like I did.

But no you had the inevitable ‘why don’t you look it up yourself’ tripe that posters come out with when they’ve been chatting complete BS the entire time.

There are many unreliable sources on the internet with fake news that you could have at least tried to pass off as real.

I’m disappointed that you folded so easily.

Honestly though the biggest impact on the rights of British women isn't cat calling. It is poverty. Do middle class white girls living in London (even those right next to a council estate) going to private school or a comp in a genteel area get preyed upon by gangs of men, foreign or otherwise. No, it is always poor girls. always.their parents are too stressed with cost of living issues or they otherwise come from chaotic backgrounds so they are easy prey. I live in London and I do not recognize anything that is on this thread, from foreign men or otherwise. I am lucky to live in a safe area. But I do see poverty on the streets and there are many homeless women who are extremely easy prey.

Now with cost of living issues, this is going to increase. What I find more worrying is the number of women who would be forced into sex work if we no longer have a welfare state or the NHS. There is a phenomenon in Korea where elderly women have to be prostitutes if they are poor. I can see this happening in the UK if there is no state pension which is a distinct possibility. if the NHS gets even worse, there would be mothers selling their bodies to pay for cancer treatment for their sick kids.these are the issues I would rather focus upon... The government wants us to focus on these foreign men who are coming over and apparently would hurt us. Ok maybe some of them are less than exemplary.

But I think that many poorer women might be forced to have sex for food and to pay the gas bills anyway so I think the catcalling and harassment alleged by some here isn't as serious as that..

Because I can't be bothered. The information is all out there on Google, if you really want to know. Why should I gather that up for you?

😂😂😂

That’s hilarious!!!

You have told me I don't understand racism.

And you are now really illustrating that you don't understand it.

I have not once said that immigrants pose a greater harm to women than non immigrants.

I have simply said that it is impossible to have a discussion about harms to women if we can't call out the reasons for it.

You are perfectly fine, I assume, with me calling out the reasons why white men might hate women, perfectly fine with me discussing what it is about UK culture that causes men from the UK to rape and abuse women but you are NOT ok with discussing the cultural reasons that immigrants might do the equivalent.

You think it is racist to point out these cultural reasons. You have said that people who do so are uneducated or like pork.

Someone, I don't know if it was you, seems to excuse the behaviour of migrants because the countries they come from 'need to catch up on human rights'.

Why are you treating immigrants as a sacred caste. Why can't we talk about the reasons why groups of immigrant males have behaved in the way they have both in the past (in my lived experience in Paris) and more recently in Cologne in the context of the areas and cultures these men migrated from?

If we want to learn about how to protect women we can't look at males as a group without considering the social and cultural backgrounds of the perpetrators. I'm not sure why immigrant status changes anything.

But go ahead call me racist and uneducated.

USA has a poorer human rights record than we do. Death penalty. Police brutality is fatal. Abortion bans. Gun culture. Higher rates of violent crime. No federal minimum age for marriage- yes forced child marriage exists there.

It's the crime stats that counts and who is over represented in those. In the UK.

@BacklogBritain

😂😂

Please post these crime stats as I can guarantee that if you had any you would have posted them multiple times by now.

I’ll wait………….

And there we go.

I CANT BE BOTHERED😂😂😂

I’m struggling to find credible data myself that backs up what you are trying to point out. I can only find tripe in red top tabloids unfortunately.

Stay safe out there 😘

No really you show yours. I was asking? Are you afraid? Why are you turning this into a childish playground of “NO, YOU DO IT”.

Your so set that these men are a danger. I want to be made aware of the dangers.

Don’t you want other women to be made aware?

Shouldnt we know the facts?

Please, I’ll ask again. Post your data from credible sources that back up your points.