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How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 17:59

three threads deleted in FWR

come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

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nomoneyno · 28/11/2022 20:17

I work next to one of the hotels. It's all men, most keep themselves to themselves but the odd few are frightening.

Security walk us to our cars/bus stop or we will bd harassed

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:16

EmmaAgain22 · 28/11/2022 20:12

But that is what is being suggested? No one has suggested exempting anyone?

yes

I see a number of posters making 'you're all racist' assumptions that just aren't true

@Stickmansmum , I don't think anyone has said on this thread that the government should treat men as criminals on the basis of race (because that would be fucking mental)

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FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 20:16

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:03

a question that isn't goady as fuck for example?

Hypocritical much? 😂

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:14

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:11

did you have a specific question?

I asked you the question in my post.

You started a thread about large amounts of men coming into the UK from other cultures.

So as I said is it all foreign men or just the ones with a low class (income/education)?

I didn't actually

I started a thread asking how it can be discussed

lots of women (including you apparently) want to talk about this and were being repeatedly censored. I asked MNHQ how the conversation could be had

your question makes rude and insulting assumptions about my position. try again

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woodhill · 28/11/2022 20:14

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:11

did you have a specific question?

I asked you the question in my post.

You started a thread about large amounts of men coming into the UK from other cultures.

So as I said is it all foreign men or just the ones with a low class (income/education)?

We don't really need them in the UK unless they are skilled as far as I am concerned, it's going to cause huge problems in the long run

EmmaAgain22 · 28/11/2022 20:12

Stickmansmum · 28/11/2022 20:10

The problem is that most of you ARE using the race of these men to ask the government to treat them all as potential criminals. That is racism.

I understand why. And I don’t have a solution but I do think clear training on the laws and cultural values and expectations for ALL immigrants would be fair.

But that is what is being suggested? No one has suggested exempting anyone?

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:11

did you have a specific question?

I asked you the question in my post.

You started a thread about large amounts of men coming into the UK from other cultures.

So as I said is it all foreign men or just the ones with a low class (income/education)?

Stickmansmum · 28/11/2022 20:10

The problem is that most of you ARE using the race of these men to ask the government to treat them all as potential criminals. That is racism.

I understand why. And I don’t have a solution but I do think clear training on the laws and cultural values and expectations for ALL immigrants would be fair.

anniegun · 28/11/2022 20:09

There are marginally more women than men in the UK who were born in another country 51% to 49%. Why is this a "men" issue? Brexit has led (for instance) to more Indians than Poles being granted visas- are you raising that as a concern?

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:09

ALL men in this country need educating about women's rights, regardless of where they were born or their ethnicity or religion. As a country we need to be much more pro-active about addressing misogyny and the problem of male violence towards woman. 'Othering' it away as an issue that's only about certain subgroups and labelling it as a cultural or religious issue obscures this.

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Excellent post!!

We need to focus on addressing misogyny, which in turn will not only address men’s views from certain cultures or religions but also men who don’t even have the excuse of culture but are still misogynistic twats anyway.

Instead of singling out Pakistani men, then Iraqi men, then African men, then gypsy travellers, then Christians……. which would literally take forever as many men’s upbringing are shrouded in misogyny, why not just address misogyny as a whole.

This is acceptable, this isn’t.
Regardless of age, race, country of origin etc.

woodhill · 28/11/2022 20:07

MiniatureSchnauzerEyeBrows · 28/11/2022 19:41

Worried about replying in this thread but here goes
I think some men from different cultures coming into Britain is problematic when they don’t grasp our culture. This has nothing to do with religion as Christianity is the most misogynistic of them all in my view. I don’t know the answers. It’s not racial or religious. I think some men absorb the relics of their culture more than others.

No it isn't

LocSeeTan · 28/11/2022 20:03

In the UK w are so concerned with not appearing racist. It's very telling that the majority of asylum seekers are young males.
I'm not suggesting for a minute that there are people fleeing from their countries for legitimate reasons.
Where I live there are so many Kurdish businesses. The shopkeepers are very open about how they arrived in the UK and they are willing to share their guidance as to how to get citizenship.
I say this as someone who has lived in the area for 40 years and I'm nobody's fool.
The UK is a holiday camp for immigrants

This has not always been the way.
In the 50s, 60s70s even, immigrant people came here to worn legitimately.
I'm white British and a minority where I live but we are enmeshed with one another.
It's out government that's to blame for the housing crisis.

We are not fuckiing Butlins.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:03

a question that isn't goady as fuck for example?

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 20:02

CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:01

@BernardBlacksMolluscs

How do you feel about doctors, lawyers etc?

Is it just the lower class men you have an issue with or any man who isn’t British?

Not being goady, genuinely wondering.

I'd rather the person who took my appendix out was a doctor and the person who did my conveyencing was a layer

did you have a specific question?

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CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 20:01

@BernardBlacksMolluscs

How do you feel about doctors, lawyers etc?

Is it just the lower class men you have an issue with or any man who isn’t British?

Not being goady, genuinely wondering.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 28/11/2022 20:00

The misogyny (often legalised) towards females in the global majority cultures is devastating. Women here do need to be able to talk about it.

littleburn · 28/11/2022 20:00

Bigger picture is males as a social group are a threat to women, regardless of nationality or ethnicity or religion. That's the impact of centuries of patriarchal culture and then throw in the availability of extreme internet porn over the last two decades into the mix ...

The impact of particular cultural views is a part of that bigger picture, but we can't go all 'not my Nigel' about this and siphon off certain subgroups of men as dangerous or not dangerous to women. ALL men in this country need educating about women's rights, regardless of where they were born or their ethnicity or religion. As a country we need to be much more pro-active about addressing misogyny and the problem of male violence towards woman. 'Othering' it away as an issue that's only about certain subgroups and labelling it as a cultural or religious issue obscures this.

Peedoffo · 28/11/2022 19:57

A little tip I was sexually assaulted at the age of 13 in a country with a culture of women not being valued. I know not to smile at men from this culture they see it as you are flirting with them. Always have a resting bitch face it sounds so sad but any friendliness can be seen as a come on. It's served me well over the years.

MumsTheWordFact · 28/11/2022 19:54

Germany shouldn't take more immigrants than the UK, we should both take far, far less. I absolutely weep for our daughters' and granddaughters' futures. They will come to loathe us for what we've done. We had no right to give away their future.

Those people saying all races and cultures commit sexual assaults are factually correct but are either ignorant or disingenous. The breakdown of prisoners inside for sexual assault does not at all match up with the percentages of the general population down religious lines. Not at all.

Museya15 · 28/11/2022 19:53

I don't support economical migrants so I've a clear conscience. You support them, don't moan about them.

BacklogBritain · 28/11/2022 19:49

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CarefreeMe · 28/11/2022 19:48

People like you are the reason thousands of CHILDREN are victims to grooming gangs.

CHILDREN are statistically much more at risk from white, British men than foreign.

Which would make sense considering that children are more likely to be attacked by someone close to them.

How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures
How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures
How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures
Goingforarun · 28/11/2022 19:48

This is the worst thread ever mathematically and logically and factually incompetent.

socialmedia23 · 28/11/2022 19:47

I think we need to involve local community leaders in fighting these attitudes if we want to be productive or it would look racist.

MarshaBradyo · 28/11/2022 19:44

MiniatureSchnauzerEyeBrows · 28/11/2022 19:41

Worried about replying in this thread but here goes
I think some men from different cultures coming into Britain is problematic when they don’t grasp our culture. This has nothing to do with religion as Christianity is the most misogynistic of them all in my view. I don’t know the answers. It’s not racial or religious. I think some men absorb the relics of their culture more than others.

Why do you say Christianity is the most misogynistic of all religions?

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