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How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/11/2022 17:59

three threads deleted in FWR

come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

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Ofcourseshecan · 27/02/2023 18:57

Georgyporky · 28/11/2022 18:36 - Unfortunately, there are plenty of men of ancient British lineage who still think women are lesser people. Despite legislation, women are still discriminated against - no matter the colour/religion/nationality of either the female or the male.

Absolutely true, but irrelevant to this discussion. Yes, men of all cultures can harm women.

But this thread is about the much increased risk to women caused by large numbers of men arriving from cultures in which women have low status and therefore violence against women is much more common.

The risk is increased for two reasons. (1) There is a sudden influx of men, mainly young/ish and without families to moderate their behaviour. (2) They are more likely than the average UK man to harass or attack women because that is more acceptable in their home culture.

How anyone can claim this isn't a feminist issue is beyond me.

MarshaBradyo · 21/01/2023 18:01

This old thread seems apt as without mentioning another one today it does seem they are easily deleted.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 14:26

FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 14:21

Carrying on talking, I don’t care what people say.

But surely you knew starting this thread wouldn’t have been very productive.

Anyway. Have a great day. My lunch break is over. Please stop quoting me and I will leave you be, as carrying on quoting me is just an invitation for me to keep responding.

This thread has been incredibly productive

  1. it’s amply demonstrated the closing down women face when they try to talk about problems they face that are politically unpalatable

  2. it’s ensured MNHQ allowed a conversation to happen elsewhere which has been really useful

you started the thread not knowing the facts and making prejudiced assumptions and it led to you name calling and generally behaving badly

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lifeturnsonadime · 30/11/2022 14:25

Please stop quoting me and I will leave you be, as carrying on quoting me is just an invitation for me to keep responding.

But we are interested in your opinion and why you think we shouldn't talk about certain things.

lifeturnsonadime · 30/11/2022 14:24

Cross post Bernard .

Would love to know FissyPaps thinking on this.

lifeturnsonadime · 30/11/2022 14:22

FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 14:18

One of OP’s first posts included:

to be honest, I don't know as much about this subject as I'd like to

I don’t know why they created the thread. From the get-go it was pure aggression and insinuates prejudice.

Anyway, if I’m trying to shut down the conversation please feel free to report and my posts will be removed if they break guidelines. That doesn’t bother me.

I keep responding as posters keep quoting me. You don’t have to keep quoting me asking for a response if you feel like I am shutting down conversations.

What is wrong with someone posting

to be honest, I don't know as much about this subject as I'd like to

Shows a openness to discussion and other ideas.

As opposed to calling someone pork for wanting to discuss those ideas.

I don't think you are breaking guidelines. I do think you are trying to stop people from discussing these issues.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 14:22

FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 14:18

One of OP’s first posts included:

to be honest, I don't know as much about this subject as I'd like to

I don’t know why they created the thread. From the get-go it was pure aggression and insinuates prejudice.

Anyway, if I’m trying to shut down the conversation please feel free to report and my posts will be removed if they break guidelines. That doesn’t bother me.

I keep responding as posters keep quoting me. You don’t have to keep quoting me asking for a response if you feel like I am shutting down conversations.

The fact that I admitted I’d like to find out more about this subject means it’s ok for you to call me names because….?

you’re really going to have to help me out here

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FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 14:21

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 14:16

Open up your closed mind

says the person trying to stop people talking

👍👍👍

Carrying on talking, I don’t care what people say.

But surely you knew starting this thread wouldn’t have been very productive.

Anyway. Have a great day. My lunch break is over. Please stop quoting me and I will leave you be, as carrying on quoting me is just an invitation for me to keep responding.

FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 14:18

lifeturnsonadime · 30/11/2022 14:00

Ah so you are trying to simultaneously shut down conversation whilst calling others ignorant.

Got it.

One of OP’s first posts included:

to be honest, I don't know as much about this subject as I'd like to

I don’t know why they created the thread. From the get-go it was pure aggression and insinuates prejudice.

Anyway, if I’m trying to shut down the conversation please feel free to report and my posts will be removed if they break guidelines. That doesn’t bother me.

I keep responding as posters keep quoting me. You don’t have to keep quoting me asking for a response if you feel like I am shutting down conversations.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 14:16

Open up your closed mind

says the person trying to stop people talking

👍👍👍

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 14:15

UrsulaPandress · 30/11/2022 14:07

I doubt very much that it’s an Old English saying.

No, to be fair to the person doing the name calling, Google suggests it is an old English saying

a really, really horrible one that I’d be ashamed to use.

but each to their own, innit?

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UrsulaPandress · 30/11/2022 14:07

I doubt very much that it’s an Old English saying.

lifeturnsonadime · 30/11/2022 14:00

FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 13:50

Nothing to do with religion either. So again, calm down.

Its an old English saying that means “When somebody won't listen to reason.”

If you interpret it to skin colour or religion then that’s your own insecurities. Not mine✌

I suggest you go outside, take a moment to chill, breathe in the fresh air and talk to people. Talk to people of different races, religions. Open up your closed mind.

Ah so you are trying to simultaneously shut down conversation whilst calling others ignorant.

Got it.

FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 13:50

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 12:51

So it could be a slur based on religion? Is that better or worse I wonder?

Nothing to do with religion either. So again, calm down.

Its an old English saying that means “When somebody won't listen to reason.”

If you interpret it to skin colour or religion then that’s your own insecurities. Not mine✌

I suggest you go outside, take a moment to chill, breathe in the fresh air and talk to people. Talk to people of different races, religions. Open up your closed mind.

MarshaBradyo · 30/11/2022 13:47

Hooverphobe · 29/11/2022 05:03

Will you please stop equating misogyny within the British police forces to misogyny found in many places across the globe.

Were you sexually assaulted in the street - where do you want to report that?

A. Slough police station
B. Doha

if you said B then there’s really no hope for you.

Good post, highlights it in clear terms

FlissyPaps · 30/11/2022 13:45

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 12:15

It’s taken me a few days to process this

without wanting to big myself up, I don’t generally move in the kind of circles where name calling is a thing

however, I would guess that the word ‘pork’ is a reference to what @FlissyPaps guesses is the colour of my skin. And is thus a racist slur

care to comment on that @FlissyPaps ?

“You can’t educate pork” is not a racist slur.

It is nothing do with skin colour, race or nationality.

I’ve given you the meaning of the saying upthread.

You can also Google it.

So calm down.

& Have a great day ✌

BacklogBritain · 30/11/2022 13:27

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Threadkillacilla · 30/11/2022 12:56

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 12:51

So it could be a slur based on religion? Is that better or worse I wonder?

I thought it was a nasty Gammon reference too.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 12:51

So it could be a slur based on religion? Is that better or worse I wonder?

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lifeturnsonadime · 30/11/2022 12:26

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 12:15

It’s taken me a few days to process this

without wanting to big myself up, I don’t generally move in the kind of circles where name calling is a thing

however, I would guess that the word ‘pork’ is a reference to what @FlissyPaps guesses is the colour of my skin. And is thus a racist slur

care to comment on that @FlissyPaps ?

Doesn't it also have other connotations, in a religious context? Muslims don't eat pork do they? myislam.org/why-is-pork-haram/.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 12:15

FlissyPaps · 28/11/2022 23:14

You can’t educate pork, sadly.

It’s taken me a few days to process this

without wanting to big myself up, I don’t generally move in the kind of circles where name calling is a thing

however, I would guess that the word ‘pork’ is a reference to what @FlissyPaps guesses is the colour of my skin. And is thus a racist slur

care to comment on that @FlissyPaps ?

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MarshaBradyo · 30/11/2022 08:06

MintyFreshOne · 30/11/2022 06:09

If young Irish men were harassing local women, it would have been an important issue to address, no? Why do women’s needs and comfort always come behind men?

Yes I don’t get the importance of women having to be silent over harassment

MintyFreshOne · 30/11/2022 06:09

Goingforarun · 30/11/2022 00:56

Same thing happened with young Irish men in the 6/70s and yes it was still racist then.

If young Irish men were harassing local women, it would have been an important issue to address, no? Why do women’s needs and comfort always come behind men?

Goingforarun · 30/11/2022 00:56

Same thing happened with young Irish men in the 6/70s and yes it was still racist then.

BornBlonde · 29/11/2022 21:39

mackthepony · 28/11/2022 18:14

I have never heard of this. Feeling quite ignorant

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