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Why was my thread removed?

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MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 10:08

I posted to see if anyone had the same religious beliefs as I did and within hours my post was deleted.
am I right in thinking now that mumsnet is happy for you to discuss your beliefs but only if they align with their own?
if you’re allowing discussions on religion then you should be open to discussions on all beliefs.
my religion is recognised as a belief system in the us and has all the same legal rights as any other.

these are the tenets I live by.
There are Seven
FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

does that sound offensive and scary to you to be deleted?

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Mossstitch · 31/08/2022 17:09

I don't get it🤷 why call it satanism if they don't believe in him or worship him/her (to be politically correct😂) 😴

Greensleeves · 31/08/2022 17:06

Margot78 · 31/08/2022 16:44

It doesn’t sound offensive and scary but it does sound tedious and self indulgent. If I was a moderator I would have deleted it for that reason but luckily for you, this is a site where you will be indulged and even apologised to when you don’t get the attention you were desperate for.

Exactly this. Grow up ffs.

Novum · 31/08/2022 17:04

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

How does that one work, then? If you offend me by assaulting me, am I supposed to respect your freedom to do so?

Fladdermus · 31/08/2022 16:56

Dear MN

Why won't you let me use underhand, manipulative techniques to hook others into my belief system that they'd have zero interest in if I were up front and honest?

Yours OP

YesitsBess · 31/08/2022 16:50

They are a religious entity as it goes, and also in the vanguard of the legal challenges to the overturning of Roe Vs Wade because of their status as a religious entity, super article here:

www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/satanic-temple-abortion-rights-supreme-court-1048833/amp/

sunshinesupermum · 31/08/2022 16:48

listing all your tenets without actually saying you’re a Satanist

This. How are we supposed to know??

Margot78 · 31/08/2022 16:44

It doesn’t sound offensive and scary but it does sound tedious and self indulgent. If I was a moderator I would have deleted it for that reason but luckily for you, this is a site where you will be indulged and even apologised to when you don’t get the attention you were desperate for.

SirChenjins · 31/08/2022 16:41

So now this thread is going - what more would you like us to know OP?
It’s quite a nice he belief system so I’m surprised there aren’t forums out there already where you can connect and have those open minded discussions. .

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MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 16:39

I fully accept that individuals will be judgemental but would hope that large organisations would spend maybe 5 minutes to educate themselves slightly and not have a knee jerk reaction.

also I didn’t give them the name…

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LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 31/08/2022 16:34

So the point of the name is to be attention-seeking and misleading, because you don’t actually follow Satan

but also

you object to being judged on the basis of the attention-seeking, deliberately misleading name?

that’s so incredibly silly

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MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 16:29

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 31/08/2022 16:15

Yes, exactly. It’s the opposite of straightforward and up-front, it’s patronising.

Why not just be straight about it, if your goal is truly to just connect with other parents who share your beliefs? rather than trying to make everyone go oooh in some kind of daft “gotcha” way.

I do kind of think though that if Satanism is really essentially just normal decency, deciding to call it Satanism in the first place was a weird choice. Almost as if there is in fact an element of attention-seeking shock value to the whole thing 🤔

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I deliberately didn’t mention satanism because the moment it was mentioned people have a preconceived idea of what it is.
I’m not trying to convert people or trick People into joining the satanic temple I came to a site I’ve been posting on off and on for a decade and always found people here who I could have an open discussion with and assumed (wrongly it would seem) that I might find open minded people here.

and yeah the name is a bit attention seekery… that’s kid of the point.

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MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 16:24

Brideandpredjudice · 31/08/2022 15:46

Am I missing something here? Do you worship the Satan?

Very much not, I don’t even believe in satan or hell it’s symbolic.

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LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 31/08/2022 16:15

GreenWheat · 31/08/2022 15:22

That smacks very much of the underhand Scientology recruitment tactic of getting people to take a "personality test" in order to get them in the door.

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Yes, exactly. It’s the opposite of straightforward and up-front, it’s patronising.

Why not just be straight about it, if your goal is truly to just connect with other parents who share your beliefs? rather than trying to make everyone go oooh in some kind of daft “gotcha” way.

I do kind of think though that if Satanism is really essentially just normal decency, deciding to call it Satanism in the first place was a weird choice. Almost as if there is in fact an element of attention-seeking shock value to the whole thing 🤔

girlmom21 · 31/08/2022 16:14

Puddington · 31/08/2022 15:41

The Church of Satan is doing more for American women than any political party is. I think the response from HQ here was quite patronising.

I don't think they were patronising. They're right. Anyone who reads that thread is either going to report it as a troll or take the piss.

Brideandpredjudice · 31/08/2022 15:46

Am I missing something here? Do you worship the Satan?

Puddington · 31/08/2022 15:41

The Church of Satan is doing more for American women than any political party is. I think the response from HQ here was quite patronising.

GreenWheat · 31/08/2022 15:22

MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 14:35

My point at not mentioning satanism in my first post here was to show that without the name people are more open to hearing about it and to avoid the knee jerk reaction of “omg animal sacrifice eating babies!”
my post wasn’t at all goady, there are thousands of active satanists and a lot have children I was hoping there might be conversations about how to manage schools and things.

That smacks very much of the underhand Scientology recruitment tactic of getting people to take a "personality test" in order to get them in the door.

girlmom21 · 31/08/2022 15:19

@Sparklingbrook so was I...I forgot to add my Wink emote Grin

Sparklingbrook · 31/08/2022 15:15

girlmom21 · 31/08/2022 15:07

Waste of time if everyone's going to hide it, surely?

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I was only joking. Grin As if they would do that. We can just hide the threads as they appear anyway.

girlmom21 · 31/08/2022 15:07

Sparklingbrook · 31/08/2022 14:37

Perhaps MNHQ should invent a new topic for this so everyone can hide it?

Waste of time if everyone's going to hide it, surely?

blisstwins · 31/08/2022 14:59

MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 13:41

But if I’m reading right we’re being told we’re unwelcome so we obviously won’t find likeminded people here because posts speaking about our beliefs will be deleted without offering space for open minded debate. Maybe if the people who are offended and ignorant can read about satanism and learn what we’re actually about they won’t be upset.

its still a case of mumsnet is showing they’re open to some beliefs but not others and it’s not ok.

Why choose that name if you are really just trying to advance a kind of humanism? It has provocative connotations the site is uncomfortable with, and are very many users of the site.

DramaAlpaca · 31/08/2022 14:54

I didn't see your earlier thread.

Did you post in Philosophy & Religion? If so, great, there's lots of interesting discussion on there.

If you posted in AIBU I'd be inclined to think you were being goady, tbh.

RiftGibbon · 31/08/2022 14:50

Maybe the issue is that people see the word "Satsnism" and jump to conclusions. What you say you believe in aligns with having a moral code. Humanism may be packaged differently but again, a reasonable crossover.

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 31/08/2022 14:46

MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 14:35

My point at not mentioning satanism in my first post here was to show that without the name people are more open to hearing about it and to avoid the knee jerk reaction of “omg animal sacrifice eating babies!”
my post wasn’t at all goady, there are thousands of active satanists and a lot have children I was hoping there might be conversations about how to manage schools and things.

If there are thousands of Satanist's & msny are parents then go the other way about this, go onto a satanist web site & gather the parents together talk about how to deal with school etc.

Hoppinggreen · 31/08/2022 14:43

MrsBunTheBakersMum · 31/08/2022 14:35

My point at not mentioning satanism in my first post here was to show that without the name people are more open to hearing about it and to avoid the knee jerk reaction of “omg animal sacrifice eating babies!”
my post wasn’t at all goady, there are thousands of active satanists and a lot have children I was hoping there might be conversations about how to manage schools and things.

It’s like MLMs, never mention the product until they are hooked
I have no issue with Satanism or any religion really but be up front about what you are