war topic

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I don't open all of them - so many, often repetitive!

Perhaps we need a separate topic for people asking MN to create separate topics.

@Sparklingbrook has already linked to it above.

Which thread is that?
(I don't open all of them - so many, often repetitive!)

Could you link it here, and then perhaps MNHQ will see it and have a look too

As far as I am aware, MNHQ never explicitly stated that people weren't allowed to post about Brexit/Covid on the miscellaneous boards, so people weren't doing anything wrong by posting about these issues in AIBU, Chat etc. However, thread after thread after thread was derailed by the self appointed thread police complaining self righteously and sometimes aggressively about things being put in the "wrong" place. That really didn't work for me, and it didn't work for many other posters either.

Either the content on the miscellaneous threads is restricted or it isn't. There can't just be an unspoken rule based on the particular sensitivities of certain posters. We need it to be clear.

I think it's great that half of the votes on the AIBU thread are in support of a separate topic. But MNHQ aren't going to see it over there. maybe it needs moving to Site Stuff?

I still think that a Ukraine topic would work just as the Covid one does. Nothing to do with 'censoring' it's not that complicated really.

Just the two topics currently that people want to start thread after thread about, do a bit of scaremongering, post every brain fart as a seperate thread etc

People know now that if they post about Covid it'll get moved to the Covid topic. It could just be the same with Ukraine.

It isn't fair to expect people to abide by rules that haven't been articulated clearly.

And again there have been some really interesting long running political threads, but it’s difficult to find them if you don’t post for a while and they are in AIBU.

What I really don't want MNHQ to do is to end up with a separate board but no guidance on what can/can't be put on the miscellaneous threads.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that it matters if somebody posts something about gardening in AIBU - it’s just one or two subjects that require more moderation.

That can also change - The volume of Brexit posts is now low and far less contentious.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4493415-To-ask-MNHQ-to-create-a-board-about-the-current-situation

An AIBU about it, but pretty much the same as this thread.

If specific topics are to be excluded from AIBU and Chat, then this needs to be made really clear, with a list of specific topics that are to be excluded.

Or maybe MN needs two versions of Chat and AIBU - one for the people who want the censored versions and the other for people who want those discussions to stay unrestricted.

What I really don't want MNHQ to do is to end up with a separate board but no guidance on what can/can't be put on the miscellaneous threads

AIBU - this is pretty clear. People use this board to ask if they're being reasonable/unreasonable about a situation. Can be anything. As long as they're using it genuinely to ask this question and not just posting 'for the traffic'

I think it's Chat that's the most ambiguous topic. Anything can go here, which is why we get serious and trivial stuff side-by-side - especially if there isn't a designated board. But because of this, like AIBU, it generates a lot of traffic - hence also 'posting for the traffic'.

@psychomath I doubt very much that the volume of threads will die down - just look at Covid and all the threads that are still being started.

Seems like the main case here is to get rid of miscellaneous topics

That would certainly seem to be the logical conclusion from many of the arguments on here.

What I really don't want MNHQ to do is to end up with a separate board but no guidance on what can/can't be put on the miscellaneous threads. That would be the worst of all worlds imo, because the thread police would think that they were entitled to derail threads by moaning that they are in the wrong place while everyone else would think that, in the absence of any rules to the contrary, they are entitled to post wherever they like.

So please, MNHQ, if you are going to create a specific board, I would ask that you make it really clear as to whether threads on that topic must be placed on that board or whether the miscellaneous topics can also be used if posters choose to do so. If discussions on specific topics are to be restricted, please ensure that this is stated very clearly at the top of each of the miscellaneous boards so that we are all clear on which specific topics are considered to be taboo at any given time. Please make the voting facility available on other boards for those who have been pushed out of AIBU. And please establish a clear procedure for reporting threads that are inadvertently placed on the wrong board so that we don't end up with loads of moaning from the self righteous thread police that gets in the way of discussion. Thank you.

@BIWI to be clear, I don't think anyone is suggesting the actual war will die down in a few days! Just that the volume of threads about it might, which would make the discussion about a separate board moot

Another vote here for a sticky in AIBU and Chat clearly signposting the correct place and a ban on "YABU for not posting in the Ukraine topic" replies, if a separate board is created.

I would imagine part of the discussion as well as the overall volume and sustainability of the traffic is the sheer amount of mod time which will be consumed by complaints of threads in the wrong place, complaints about people complaining its in the wrong place etc.

I'd be interested to know how much time they have spent dealing with complaints of that type about covid threads/posters.

If people actually used topics then the Ukraine related discussion would have gone into News until it hit volume for a new topic. Seems like the main case here is to get rid of miscellaneous topics

There is one set of threads running at the moment which, for the most part, has some interesting views on them - and posters are often providing or asking for reliable links or receipts.

But the number of ludicrous assertions/panic/etc is getting crazy. And it’s getting harder to decide who is genuinely having full-on panic/anxiety vs who is posting to ramp up the worry level. I’m avoiding commenting - because I don’t want to resort to telling someone they’re “stupid” for panicking, nor do I want to go full-on sarcastic for those that are getting a kick out of stirring things up.

Everyone got used to the covid board fairly quickly. I don’t think this situation is going to be resolved any time soon. Again, for me, it is not to do with “hiding it away”. For me, it makes it easier to easily see it all in one place.

It appears everyone's gone from being an epidemiologist/virologist to international affairs expect pretty seamlessly

It would be easier if "hide thread" could be accessed without the need to click on the thread in the desktop site.

And I agree @ClaudineClare people are getting thrills from the hysteria.

The scaremongering is ratcheting up. It is going to end up making some people really ill.

I get that MN are reluctant to go down the road of asking posters to adhere to topics and moving them, but I just cannot see any point in having literally dozens of topics then just having everyone post everything in AIBU/chat. The scaremongering over Ukraine and Covid has been absolutely ridiculous and has been pretty much allowed to continue free rein.