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war topic

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Samcro · 14/02/2022 11:15

any chance of a covid style war topic for all the "are we going to war " threads please.

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psychomath · 02/03/2022 10:22

No, because the concept of a trigger warning is not to advertise a thread subject people just aren’t interested in, it’s to signpost a thread subject which can cause trauma for people who may have suffered from that subject matter.

I don't really understand this point, war seems like exactly the sort of thing that might fall into the latter category? Confused

AlexaShutUp · 02/03/2022 09:31

I do agree that we all have a responsibility to manage our own mental health to some extent. We can't expect the world around us to hide away anything and everything that might potentially cause us distress. If you struggle with your mental health to the extent that you find certain topics triggering even if you just see the thread title, then it makes sense for you to avoid general forums in which any topic can be discussed. It is inevitable that significant world events will be reflected in such forums, and even if a separate board is created, you may still be exposed to threads that have accidentally or deliberately been put in the wrong place.

You want MNHQ to protect you by removing all reference to those triggering topics from the general forums, but you could just as easily remove yourself from the general boards in order to focus on what you want to talk about. Yes, I get you have some degree of fomo about missing out on the more lighthearted threads on AIBU or Chat, but there is nothing to stop you from starting your own lighthearted threads elsewhere. And why should the open nature of the miscellaneous boards be restricted for everyone because you don't want to do that?

If we decide to cleanse certain topics from the general forums because some people are triggered by seeing the titles, then surely there are a whole lot more topics that we would also have to ban from those general forums because other people might find them triggering. Pregnancy, for example. Climate change. Racism. Cancer. Bereavement. And so on. The miscellaneous boards will be reduced to little other than parking threads and MIL threads, and I expect someone will be along sooner or later because they find those triggering.

We have been repeatedly told by campaigners for a separate board that MN is not just about Chat and AIBU. That people can post in the topics that interest them. So why not follow your own advice?

thelittlestrhino · 02/03/2022 09:17

Thank you MNHQ

PAFMO · 02/03/2022 09:14

@C8H10N4O2

There are a lot of people on MN who have emotional difficulties of one sort or another, or have a terrible family situation to deal with. They rely on MN for support, guidance and reassurance in their situation. To come on here and be faced with all the war-scaremongering threads isn't going to do their mental health any good at all

Threads can be hidden, AIBU can be hidden. Pretty much everything can be hidden except the specific topics you are finding helpful.

There are also many women on this site who come for adult discussion on the serious topics.

Its largely still a self help site, its not responsible for the nation's mental health - we retain some responsibility to use the tools provided ourselves.

Agreed. Where do we draw the line? Hiding any thread mentioning children as it may upset those unable to have any? Hiding any thread mentioning baby loss as it may upset those who are pregnant? Hiding any pregnancy threads as it may upset those who have lost a child/had a miscarriage? Hide General Health as it may upset those with health anxiety? Hide threads on holidays and handbags as it may upset those who can afford neither? Hide threads about Snickers as those with peanut allergy may be upset?

From the deadly serious to the totally frivolous, every thread will upset somebody. Who's going to decide the hierarchy of upset? And why should they?

"It's not responsible for the nation's mental health"

This, a million times.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2022 08:59

Asking people to hide specific threads means they still

Bluntly, if simply seeing a thread title causes you issues you need to take a break from social media, or at least from sites for adults.

Or you are saying that they have to hide both AIBU and Chat and miss out on the relaxing lighthearted random threads on both boards

These are miscellaneous topics. If you are severely distressed by certain topics then yes, hide them (or at least AIBU). If you want these censored to be a child friendly rating and remove all the many topics people have complained about being distressing (often on behalf of other people they assume are distressed) then it ceases to be an adult site for adult women navigating adult life.

TeenPlusCat · 02/03/2022 08:46

we retain some responsibility to use the tools provided ourselves.

The biggest tool we have is to have related threads on a common board and then the whole board can be hidden. Job sorted in one go.

Asking people to hide specific threads means they still have to read the panic inducing thread titles. They are there in your face without trying.
Or you are saying that they have to hide both AIBU and Chat and miss out on the relaxing lighthearted random threads on both boards.

Yes we have to take responsibility. And one way of doing that is to ask MN to do just as it did for Brexit, Covid and Sex/Gender which is make a separate board.

I hope that if the rate of threads continues that MN reconsiders its decision.

It isn't censorship to group threads on the same topic together.

Sparklingbrook · 02/03/2022 08:44

Well it doesn’t appear that there’ll be any perceived ‘censorship’ forthe time being anyway. 🤷‍♀️

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2022 08:37

[quote Sparklingbrook]www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4494191-Frightening-and-dramatic-thread-titles-on-the-home-page?msgid=115526619[/quote]
That was raised on this thread too. Not only to people want posts shuffled off to a separate topic, they don't want even the thread titles to be visible anywhere.

Struggling to see how that isn't censorship of an adult site which provides tools to remove content from view at the press of a button.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2022 08:30

There are a lot of people on MN who have emotional difficulties of one sort or another, or have a terrible family situation to deal with. They rely on MN for support, guidance and reassurance in their situation. To come on here and be faced with all the war-scaremongering threads isn't going to do their mental health any good at all

Threads can be hidden, AIBU can be hidden. Pretty much everything can be hidden except the specific topics you are finding helpful.

There are also many women on this site who come for adult discussion on the serious topics.

Its largely still a self help site, its not responsible for the nation's mental health - we retain some responsibility to use the tools provided ourselves.

Sparklingbrook · 02/03/2022 07:53

It’s quite disappointing and I don’t really understand the decision TBH.
It’s not like we were asking for an expensive fix or something.

BIWI · 02/03/2022 07:48

So much for trying to make people's lives easier, @LilyMumsnet Hmm

I'm really surprised you've reached this decision.

Personally the sensational/wet lettuce thread titles don't bother me - I just scroll on by - but it's unsettling to say the least to read posts from those who are disturbed by them.

How is that 'in the spirit'?

PAFMO · 02/03/2022 06:16

@Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase

I think some of the threads are just sensationalising the situation. For example I saw one that was about whether you would want to survive a nuclear apocalypse or not. I tried to hide the thread but a) it didn’t work and b) I’d already seen the thread heading. I’m feeling really anxious about the situation.
Tbh, I put the threads about nuclear war down to being started by posters who are generally very young. They really seem to know jack about what a nuclear war would be like. Those of us who are ancient like me, and at school in the 80s had the threat of it surrounding us, lessons at school, films about sitting under your table with a saucepan on your head and TV series galore. Anyone asking about surviving a nuclear apocalypse perhaps needs to look two words up. One being nuclear, the other apocalypse. Those threads really are just idiotic. The one asking if a bomb dropped on London would she be OK in Watford for example. Hmm Sorry you're feeling anxious Flowers
Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 02/03/2022 00:13

I think some of the threads are just sensationalising the situation. For example I saw one that was about whether you would want to survive a nuclear apocalypse or not. I tried to hide the thread but a) it didn’t work and b) I’d already seen the thread heading. I’m feeling really anxious about the situation.

AlexaShutUp · 01/03/2022 23:54

Too, not two!

AlexaShutUp · 01/03/2022 23:53

@PAFMO

I've just done an unscientific survey. In Active on my phone there is currently ONE thread referencing Ukraine. It's about black students there. There's 4 threads on telly programmes, 5 style & beauty, 1 mother-in-law, 3 relationships. The rest are mainly parenting stuff. We're truly being swamped by "war" threads. Hmm Or possibly not. Maybe the people complaining about "all" the threads should stop looking for them.
Yep, I've just had a look two. Only 2 threads relating to the situation in Ukraine, and a random mix of others. A few relating to school appeals, one about divorce, a handful of TTC/pregnancy related threats, a couple of baby name threads, one about energy prices, one about someone who doesn't want her dh to reduce his income, one asking for gin recommendations. A pretty varied bunch, I'd say.
PAFMO · 01/03/2022 21:50

I've just done an unscientific survey. In Active on my phone there is currently ONE thread referencing Ukraine. It's about black students there.
There's 4 threads on telly programmes, 5 style & beauty, 1 mother-in-law, 3 relationships. The rest are mainly parenting stuff.
We're truly being swamped by "war" threads. Hmm Or possibly not. Maybe the people complaining about "all" the threads should stop looking for them.

CecilyTheWake · 01/03/2022 21:23

I wasn’t being shitty about it, just pointing out that trigger warning in this instance isn’t the right thing. Pax!

Samcro · 01/03/2022 21:17

My mistake

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CecilyTheWake · 01/03/2022 21:13

@Samcro

Shame that there will be no topic. Maybe a trigger warning needs to be used.
No, because the concept of a trigger warning is not to advertise a thread subject people just aren’t interested in, it’s to signpost a thread subject which can cause trauma for people who may have suffered from that subject matter.

It’s not meant to be used to appease the ‘omg we’re all going to diiiiieee’ wet lettuce brigade.

Samcro · 01/03/2022 20:50

Shame that there will be no topic.
Maybe a trigger warning needs to be used.

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Itsnotover · 01/03/2022 20:46

@MyDcAreMarvel

We've discussed this and we're not going to take any action at the moment so you are happy with the responsibility of people who rely on this site really struggling with multiple scaremongering threads. Honestly MNHQ attitude to this is shameful.
I agree! I emailed MNHQ to ask them to do something about this so I’m sorry to see that this was the outcome.

I thought this was supposed to be a supportive site?

Sort it out MNHQ - the titles are triggering enough to some people.

CarpeVitam · 01/03/2022 20:32

Looks like a decision has been made. Oh well....

CarpeVitam · 01/03/2022 20:31

I'm definitely in favour of a War Topic board! Whilst the war threads are not bothering me, I can why they would cause some people considerable stress/anxiety!

CecilyTheWake · 01/03/2022 20:13

@LilyMumsnet

Hi all

We've discussed this and we're not going to take any action at the moment. This isn't to say that we're never going to make changes with regards to this discussion - but we're reviewing this as we go along. It's an enormous topic at the moment and it's everywhere (not just on Mumsnet). If you need to hide a thread, you can do this without even looking at the opening post. Just open it up and click the 'hide' button above the title.

We are more than happy to look at threads on a case-by-case basis so as ever, you can report to us if you have any concerns.

That’s a pretty dismissive statement and also deliberately ignores the fact that users not on a PC don’t have the option to hide threads without clicking into them.

Perhaps you could be a bit more honest and admit that MN don’t want the additional work of moving threads out of AIBU, plus the fact you want to keep the dominance of AIBU because it gets you revenue whereas the proper use of existing topics wouldn’t.

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