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Should MN maybe post a thread daily mentioning high profile threads which have turned out to be trolls?

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HeartsAndClubs · 26/10/2021 17:20

I know that in theory mn doesn’t want to talk about which threads have been troll threads, especially when they’ve been there a while. But the reality is that members do talk about these threads,because people post asking what happened to the poster etc. But then MN remove the thread for being a TAAT because it’s “against guidelines” which then means that because those who haven’t seen it haven’t seen it they post another thread which is then deleted for being a TAAT and so it continues.

So surely it would be better to either post a thread talking about which high profile (i.e. the funeral thread to name one) threads have been removed, and people can go there before posting a “what happened to/I’m worried about/hope x is ok” type thread. You could, if you didn’t want discussion of the particular trolls, remove commenting.

Thing is there will always be trolls, and when they’re outed they will always be discussed. Especially in the case of trolls who have been particularly emotive ones where users may personally have become invested due to their own circumstances.

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SwedishEdith · 31/10/2021 12:15

@Merrilee

Haha no way will mn ever want to admit how many are trolls or possible trolls. Imagine the responses of the long ongoing sagas so many fell for, like Soft play zilla, Korean grandma, etc etc
This. And the obvious astroturfers. MN encourages it as it all = traffic.

I now assume any complicated family/friendship scenario is made up even though I replied to one yesterday

BIWI · 31/10/2021 12:09

Perhaps you think there should be disclaimers on bereavement threads 'potential troll alert' perhaps? That would be nice wouldn't it for genuinely bereaved folk.

I think that's a good idea actually. Exactly to stop bereaved folk being caught out by and overly-emotionally invested in some of the horrible troll threads that get posted there.

LemonTT · 31/10/2021 11:59

@lazylinguist

I've never really understood why people get so het up about troll threads (except the ones on very serious or upsetting topics, which are surely pretty infrequent). Surely we largely post on threads as if they can be taken at face value, while being aware that any thread might be pure fiction. If a thread I've posted on turns out to be fake , I'm not fussed tbh!
Where does that end?

People aren’t engaging in a nudge, nudge, wink wink we know it is made up way. They are engaging because they think it is true and should be believed. And they read other things that aren’t true and believe them. Before long they are sucked into conversations and threads entirely populated by people who aren’t thinking critically and believing every thing they are told.

TheAntiGardener · 31/10/2021 11:44

Completely agree, Linguist. Most long-running threads are about more than purely the specific question at hand. They tend to be about the differences in posters’ views and perspectives, and that is often fascinating. I find it very frustrating when a thread is pulled because the op is a troll when a good discussion/debate has got established.

Obviously, posts that are emotionally manipulative about very sensitive subjects should go if started by a troll, but otherwise I find it pointless and annoying.

SueSaid · 31/10/2021 11:19

'While we're discussing trolls, would it be possible to put a message on threads asking about children's toilet habits/daughters starting their periods'

Oh fgs it's a parenting forum these topics are frequent issues with kids. Just report them if you think its dodgy 🙄

Perhaps you think there should be disclaimers on bereavement threads 'potential troll alert' perhaps? That would be nice wouldn't it for genuinely bereaved folk.

ThatLibraryMiss · 31/10/2021 10:46

While we're discussing trolls, would it be possible to put a message on threads asking about children's toilet habits/daughters starting their periods, especially the ones that start "Man/Dad here"? I'm thinking of something to the effect that posters should be aware that these topics are frequently posted by Herbert and his hairy-handed chums and that any responses may be used as fodder for their solitary activities. It might stop people rushing to share their children's intimate secrets with thousands of strangers on the internet. If MNHQ can't do that is OK for regular posters to put such a message on a thread without the threat of being deleted?

SueSaid · 31/10/2021 10:45

'. on the other hand, though, perhaps it will open the eyes of some of those posters who tend to believe that everything posted here is the truth?'

Tbf there are trolls and weird fuckers all over the Internet. I've no idea why people would expect anything less on Mumsnet. If people need guides, tips and helpful reminders that half of what you read online is bollocks then they should stick to the crossword in Woman's Own.

Tal45 · 31/10/2021 10:44

Penis beaker was a troll????

Sparklingbrook · 31/10/2021 10:19

@lazylinguist

I've never really understood why people get so het up about troll threads (except the ones on very serious or upsetting topics, which are surely pretty infrequent). Surely we largely post on threads as if they can be taken at face value, while being aware that any thread might be pure fiction. If a thread I've posted on turns out to be fake , I'm not fussed tbh!
Well some posters do seem genuinely aggrieved when a thread they were following goes poof! They want closure presumably. Then they start a TAAT demanding to know the outcome. 🤷‍♀️
lazylinguist · 31/10/2021 10:13

I've never really understood why people get so het up about troll threads (except the ones on very serious or upsetting topics, which are surely pretty infrequent). Surely we largely post on threads as if they can be taken at face value, while being aware that any thread might be pure fiction. If a thread I've posted on turns out to be fake , I'm not fussed tbh!

Sparklingbrook · 31/10/2021 09:48

@BIWI

... on the other hand, though, perhaps it will open the eyes of some of those posters who tend to believe that everything posted here is the truth?
That’s true as well. I was v naive when I first joined and got well and truly amazed when a long running, fast moving, live update thread got pulled because it was a troll. I felt cheated. I wanted to know the ending. 😂 I remember the thread. But if that popped up this morning I’d be ‘well that’s a troll’ immediately.
BIWI · 31/10/2021 09:43

... on the other hand, though, perhaps it will open the eyes of some of those posters who tend to believe that everything posted here is the truth?

SixQuidGames · 30/10/2021 22:49

It also troublesome from the perspective that potentially:

60% of posts are totally made up.
50% of posts are real
75% of posts other posters agree with but they have no idea what they voting for

And so on.

SixQuidGames · 30/10/2021 22:39

I think posting a daily list of troll threads would be somewhat embarrassing for MN as they’d need to acknowledge a) how many troll threads there actually are and b) know they were definitely troll threads.

The term ‘troll’ has become something of a catch-all, meaning everything from ‘someone who disagrees with me’ to the perverts who use MN for wank fodder.

Mumsnet need to be better in zapping rogue threads. I’ve often reported a thread which has pinged my trolldar, only to be told that they have no reason to suspect the poster but will keep an eye on it. It then goes on to see the thread removed yet none of the people who reported it will be acknowledged and if they posted any troll-hunting, their posts were deleted but still count against them.

So basically, posters who identify trolls to MN are punished.

BubbleCoffee · 30/10/2021 12:33

I think it would give the trolls more attention. They want to be discussed and wondered about. I think it's better to give them as little airtime as possible.

BIWI · 30/10/2021 12:20

Ah yes. I take your point @YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet. Can see it becoming a sort of 'Trolls Top Ten'

But I can't believe you ever get things wrong! Shock Grin Wink

nextdoorslawnmower · 29/10/2021 23:25

Korean granny was a troll?

Soupseason · 29/10/2021 19:08

I don't think they would have enough time to do that daily. Must be about 70% of daily posts are fake/trolls I rekon

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 29/10/2021 18:59

Not just troll threads. There are 3 threads I've posted on in the last few days, all deleted because of 'real life concerns'. One of them was the 'trustworthy, discreet food delivery' one (which was very funny). How could the OP have 'real life concerns', they never gave any bloody details? But I can't ask anywhere whether the OP did finally come back to the thread because that would be a TAAT. Confused

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 29/10/2021 17:32

[quote BIWI]@HebeMumsnet in what ways do you think it would be tricky? Genuine question!

All we'd need is a list of thread titles and the name of the OP. Possibly the date the thread was started.

... or even, as putting the name of the OP could be an issue, I suppose, simply the thread title?[/quote]
If we got things wrong (I hear it sometimes happens, don't believe it myself tbh) then it might be a bit... awkward for a poster to see their name in lights on the trolls of the day thread. We also think it might be quite exciting for some bridge dwellers to get their thread on a daily list. Their motivations often baffle us but they do seem to universally crave attention, which is why we try not to give it to them. We definitely take the point that our deletion messages, particularly on threads about threads, could be more detailed - and we'll make sure this happens from here on.

And always remember that if you have any questions about our moderation, do drop us a line on the usual address: [email protected] - thank you.

SixQuidGames · 29/10/2021 17:28

You would still get people posting ‘what happened to x thread’ because no one can be bothered to check first.

Sparklingbrook · 29/10/2021 17:25

@Merrilee

Haha no way will mn ever want to admit how many are trolls or possible trolls. Imagine the responses of the long ongoing sagas so many fell for, like Soft play zilla, Korean grandma, etc etc
Don’t forget Penis beaker!
Merrilee · 29/10/2021 15:50

Haha no way will mn ever want to admit how many are trolls or possible trolls. Imagine the responses of the long ongoing sagas so many fell for, like Soft play zilla, Korean grandma, etc etc

BIWI · 29/10/2021 15:42

@HebeMumsnet in what ways do you think it would be tricky? Genuine question!

All we'd need is a list of thread titles and the name of the OP. Possibly the date the thread was started.

... or even, as putting the name of the OP could be an issue, I suppose, simply the thread title?

Sparklingbrook · 29/10/2021 13:03

@FuckeryOmbudsman

One main way in which it could be tricky is by showing how many threads are discovered to have been started by trolls.
Very good point. It would highlight the troll thread count each day. Shock