Any chance of a review of the FWR moderation rules in light of Maya Forstater's success in court please?

I dont like the title sex and gender debate. I want to discuss issues relating to my sex. I dont feel we need to debate sex vs gender every time!

Oops, I was going to say the feminists who have done all the consciousness raising, will just continue to do it. And without all the gainsayers, too.

It was never about that. It was a power play.

Course it is. Twitter TRA land is loving it.

Bit daft, given the current Zeitgeist, but there you go.

I don't think it's going make any difference, frankly.

Paragraph the feminists on thi

@JustineMumsnet Been having a nosey of both boards, and I think it works really well so far as you can clearly see other threads that aren't all trans related - before they were all merged together and other threads got drowned out.
You can easily see other topics now, it's like it creates a room for more feminist voices, not just one.

@JustineMumsnet
I am so disappointed that you have done this and to have also ignored people’s requests for a different name for that section. It’s a regressive move.

One poster tried to state it was ‘95%’ of threads. No… I don’t recall it getting even to 70% and being an aggressive activist account you could also assume that it was prone to hyperbole too.

It was never about that. It was a power play.

It's almost as if it was never about topics, but making sure people didn't have to see things they disagreed with.

There's a lot of threads left in Feminism Chat considering we were accused of never discussing anything but trans stuff. It's almost like that accusation was hyperbole all along.

Never mind. I found it.

Bye 👋

You should just be able to go into your settings and do it from there.

I'm leaving because of this ill-judged move that shows that Mumsnet doesn't prioritise its users.

@MNHQ can you tell me how to delete my account or do it for me please?

Yes, I think we've all seen a number of examples of incompetent, inexperienced eejits being left in charge of organisations' Twitter accounts.

who targeted Coiled Spring directly and in reasonably large numbers

But it won’t be “large” numbers at all. It will be a relatively small number of Twitter users, many of whom won’t be in the UK, won’t have any followers who matter, and won’t have any actual reach, especially when you look at what a company like Coiled Spring actual sells. I can only imagine that there’s some young woke idiot who is in charge of the social media, gets wind of some negative trending, and freaks out the bosses by making it seem way more significant than it actually is to the real world.

It’s exactly the same reason why Labour keep falsely thinking they’re going to get elected, because they think winning Twitter matters.

GB News is a good example as the woke left decided they were in a category or bucket called bad as they have a kind of simple outlook - you are with us or against us. Instead in reality people are a mixture of different views and you cannot put them into particular buckets of Tory voter bad, Labour or green voter good, women good men bad, Brexiteer bad, Remainer good. The woke left decided GB News as in the bad category even before they had seen the programmes, many of which are no worse or better than plenty of UK chat news programmes from breakfast TV to sky news. They decided we will stop and cancel this (and they failed).

Instead it would be better if the "liberal left" was resurgent wanting freedom of people to express all kinds of views and the like. May be the Chesham win for the Liberals and success of GB News can begin a sea change to freedom. Remember those of us on the side of freedom don't want the "woke"/politically correct censored either. I don't mind if they say XYZ is dreadful because we want everyone to self declare. That is fine. I want to listen to all voices.

Bear in mind that for the most part, advertisers don't really give a shit about the issue itself, they just want to look woke and not be slaughtered on social media.

Twitter is a huge part of the problem here - it makes a minority of opinions sound like they're mainstream, when they're not.

To just go back to GB News and advertising - yes, isn't it fascinating how Andrew Neil stood up to the advertisers and how they've started to backtrack?

No.
It didn't work the last time they did it, because although the 'problem' posters are all being labelled as radical feminists, the fact is that radical feminist theory is almost never discussed on FWR.
What's usually discussed is just boring old mainstream feminism. About women, by women and for women.

And its a rubbish response to the OP. But then I can remember posters patiently explaining GDPR and data protection for several threads, and to much resistance.

we want all Mumsnet users to feel they can use these boards to discuss the hundreds of ways in which sex - and gender roles - impact on women’s lives, irrespective of their views on sex and gender. So we’d like to introduce a separate topic for Sex and Gender issues

Does this make sense to anyone else?

1. MN does well to push back on this even though it probably has a lot of London female woke young staff.
2. This is well said by Datun "People are beginning to confront the realities of cancel culture and shine a light on its undemocratic nature. "
3. Money usually decides most things. I was writing terms for a website last week and thinking about these issues but the bottom line for the client is we want rights to remove just about anything we want ever as there isn't time in practice.
4. The massive issue is the public silencing of different views by the woke left using bully boy tactics. it is dreadful. We seem to have moved from being kind to others and tolerant even if we hate their views to wanting to shut them right down and censor them. I would rather transmen were on here every day telling me i am wicked than we cancel or remove loads of posts. If people get upset about things on any side of any debate that is a change but the solution is put your computer away and go for a walk, or take therapy or cry in a corner but do not censor the more robust of us.