Any chance of a review of the FWR moderation rules in light of Maya Forstater's success in court please?

Feminism is about the female sex and the sex / gender roles we have as a result.

It makes no sense to separate them.

@JustineMumsnet

As others have stated, this is indeed separating feminism from the biggest fight for women's rights so far this century.

Does this mean that any thread started in the general feminism chat that your team feel should not be there will be booted into the new section? As has recently happened with one of the AIBU topics?

I think that would give everyone somewhere to post?

This is the whole paragraph. You'll see we agree sort of. It is part of feminism, just isn't all of it. If it's still under the feminism board, I don't see the issue with it being a sub topic so it doesn't overshadow everything else about feminism.

Hmmm. I’m trying to figure out how that would work in practice.

Given that even FGM can’t be discussed without someone flat footing in and calling Hibo Wadere transphobic, what are the feminist topics that can be guaranteed never to touch on the gender vs sex debate?

I think it’s intrinsic. And I have to say, that the voices calling for feminism chat to be different have always had the option to be the change they want to see in the world, and make the threads that they want. If that hasn’t happened, it’s on them, isn’t it?

I think the topic of sex based rights will always float to the surface, no matter what you call the board, because the users here are worried about their sex based rights. It’s never been about trans. It’s about women.

I’m pretty sure many would just post in feminism chat btw

As feminism is central to the issue

So you'd want:

Feminism chat

Feminism chat (no discussion of sex or gender)

... I don't think this avoids the problems you might think it would.

Ok that sounds better if all in FWR

I’d keep the sex and gender topic one over the other you just suggested

Also as long as people can post in either as they wish

There's no feminist who isn't critical of gender stereotypes and gender roles, and experiences difficulties in life as a direct result of her sex.

I've said a few times I don't subscribe to gender critical feminism as a new breed of feminism, as feminism is critical of gender and the impact of the male sex on the female sex in society by default.

Will threads get banned or moved if the conversation moves over to sex and gender in feminism chat?

Anyone is free to post in either topic.

But if we start threads in the wrong one they will be moved, presumably?

I also think separating sex and gender debate from general feminism is good

I just can't see how it's workable. When we're talking about feminism, by definition we are talking about sex and/or gender.

I think this is a well-balanced view and I agree @JustineMumsnet. I also think separating sex and gender debate from general feminism is good but should still be under the Feminism board because it's part of feminism issues, just not the whole of it.

I don't think MNHQ can please everyone as on one side they're called Woke and on the other side, they're called Right-wing bigots and a hate site.

Personally, I'm happy with the court ruling because biological facts really should be upheld. Everyone deserves their views respected including GC feminists. It's been mind boggling how it's taken a court case to accept this.

I don't understand this decision either. Surely if you want to tidy, better to lump all the current topics into one topic. Splitting off sex/gender which is the whole basis for feminism seems like a very odd thing to do.

What aspects of feminism dont relate to 'sex and gender'?

No no no to a separate sex and gender topic. That's like saying "this isn't really feminism".

It's difficult enough to get the voices of trans widows heard in Feminism currently without us being put into a new "Sex and Gender" silo.

Didn't tag @JustineMumsnet in my two posts but I meant to!