Any chance of a review of the FWR moderation rules in light of Maya Forstater's success in court please?

Seriously, where are the accusations of racism and white women's tears on there

My observation is a lot of arguments over what feminism is, accusations of racism, white women tears, territorial sniping & just a bit of a shit show so far

I'd add aggressive, goady posting too. I had been planning to give it a few weeks to see how it works out, but on what I've seen today I'm not so sure.

Accusations of racism?!
Yeah, I thought that - definitely haven't seen any of that on the new feminism board?!

Accusations of racism?!

My observation is a lot of arguments over what feminism is, accusations of racism, white women tears, territorial sniping & just a bit of a shit show so far.

I wasn't clear what the purpose of splitting the board was, and I don't think we'll ever get the true answer on that, but I'm not convinced this is an improvement on whatever the issue was that prompted the changes.

Today's renaming of the new sections is a very slight improvement on yesterday.

My observation since the split is that it has increased the number of feminism threads appearing in Active so I don't think it has achieved the aims of those who asked for it.

As the belief in a gender critical view is ruled protected by law in the last few weeks, MNHQ have quickly shunted it off to a separate topic. Are all other protected views going to be similarly treated? Are they going to be moved from where they are posted to ghettos?

Shall we move all talk which mention Muslims to the religious section, then section it off to a Muslim section? Some people of other religions may not want to see discussions of issues faced by Muslims.

Shall we move all talk mentioning wheelchair access to the disabilities section - oops no, better go to a separate wheelchair section, as some people are only interested in upper body disabilities.

Within a week of a court ruling that a gender critical stance is perfectly legal and protected view, MNHQ decide to section it off to “protect” those whose view is different or those who are not interested in this topic.

Well done MNHQ, you’ve completely disregarded the protected views of 80% of the Feminist site, to placate the 1% who froth at women having views they don’t control or agree with. You’ve done so against the wishes of the majority, to placate the 1% who want to control where women can discuss their issues. You’ve decided to ignore the wishes of the majority of those who use your site (who expressed a wish) and placate the wishes of the vocal minority.

👍Thanks @TheInebriati

Try this;
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4276803-so-mumsnet-ignored-our-request-to-have-something-to-do-with-feminism-or-women-in-the-name-of-the-naughty-step-subtopic

I'm getting an Oops page when I click on that link.

Well @JustineMumsnet seems to be answering (finally) here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4276803-so-mumsnet-ignored-our-request-to-have-something-to-do-with-feminism-or-women-in-the-name-of-the-naughty-step-subtopic?pg=4

Again it’s not ideal but at least someone from MNHQ is actually talking now.

Thanks Simone for leaving a trail so we can find where MN are talking about this.

All rather hidden away isn't it?

They may have zero effect on you but (not just those two but some of their buddies) they do get together behind the scenes to organise trolling and mass reporting of MN users, some are politically well connected, they make hit lists of peope they want to report, they engage with MN twitter account , they arrange mass complaints to advertisers and some are lawyers who send lots of emails.

Mumsnet should learn from us how to ignore them, rather than do their bidding. Being controlled by external forces who are acting in bad faith is proper embarrassing.

MNHQ have replied to this subject (the latter subject, not the original subject of the thread) on a different Site Stuff thread. They said that they haven’t replied on this issue because it needs to be discussed among MN staff. For those who haven’t seen it:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4276869-Seeing-a-hidden-section

WanderinWomb

Oh lor! I'm not on Twitter, so I don't get to see any of that. Frankly, I hardly even know who these people are, they take up zero of my headspace. And have had zero affect on me, what I say, or what has happened in terms of GC women ploughing on. It seems to me that the real movers and shakers are operating incognito and behind-the-scenes. All that daft goading is irrelevant.

although embarrassingly there are a LOT of threads on the good feminists board. turns out posters there weren't quite the monomaniacs they were made out to be

almost like the reasoning given was complete bobbins...

Pissed of that I can only see the sex and gender board when I press on feminist chat.

So can't see feminist chat.

The rest are empty. @mnhq

looking on the bright side, if a bunch of liberal 'sex work is work' types are about to come out of the woodwork, I think they're quite likely to get a fairly sharp lesson in what actual feminism is

it could expand the possibilities for debate and push the boundaries of the radicalisation portal

Or is it just down to complainers and harrassers who will want women's discussions moved to the gulag, the place with the elaborate strict rules, where we never know if we are breaking them or not.

We can speak much more freely on Facebook and Twitter than on the feminist forum of an overwhelmingly female-used site. That says a lot!!
One can't even say pek trns or c_lt or mention safeguarding here. We can't be too general, nor too specific.

This desperate urge to appease those who don't want to use this site in good faith but only wish to silence women won't work. It's never enough, no amount of capitulation will ever be enough.

You shouldn't pay the ransom, when you do they will keep kidnapping your children and sending their fingers and toes in the post.

I might leave, not because I feel silenced, but because I feel embarrassed on MN decision makers behalf that they allowed the Jeffreys of the world to take the reins.
The second hand cringe is really quite painful.