Any chance of a review of the FWR moderation rules in light of Maya Forstater's success in court please?

started by a GC poster

That's a pretty unpleasant to say. Are the boards divided by poster rather than topic now or something? I must have missed the memo. Can we have some clarity on that @MNHQ?

Perhaps it was fated to end up in S&G, because any abstract analysis of feminism does involve defining which group of people you centre. But that's precisely the problem, isn't it? It's like the thread about what problems face feminism right now, one of the recurring themes is gender ideology - but then if you move that too... Basically anything which talks in general terms about feminism risks having to engage with the central Question Which Dare Not Speak Its Name.

I might not agree with the other view points but I am interested in how feminism analysis is done in situations where the only consideration is the gender identity of the involved people.

I didn't get an answer to either, so...

Does listening equal agreement?

I actually find it interesting to read posts from people who have the opinion that womanhood is in flux as part of a natural life cycle but I'm not likely to just go "oh of course, the word woman is in it's cycle of flux, how could I have not seen that before" My response will be some what critical because that's what disagreement is.

What would a response to the above look like that a GC woman could make that wouldn't result in being accused of not listening or being invalidating?

I am going to presume that women are welcome to post in either board and that the boards are split by subject, not by poster. Would be nice to get a bit of back up from MN on that point. I've only ever been polite to other posters, but have been sneered at, aspersions cast and laughed at when the thread was moved. Is that all 'in the spirit'?

started by a GC poster

I really take exception to that - you're talking about a thread I started, asking about what the people who had wanted the new board were interested in. There were some interesting conversations - and a few people telling me to 'get off their board', which was nice, and then it got derailed, reported, and moved.

Really not nice to hound someone off a board.

I still think it is an interesting thread
There's a fair few feminist voices in there which, despite some of the usual GC /rad fem voices on the thread not listening to others and kind of hijacking, would usually not be heard.
Nice to get other perspectives and hear of other struggles I might not usually, eg the issue up thread of white women feminism, I find it interesting and makes me think
Amongst other voices, that's the first one off the top of my head

That's not the thread I was reading. It was started by an MNer (there's really no need to put GC in like that- bit dogwhistle) and it was shaping up to be an interesting thread. However, a poster with a grudge derailed it by attacking the OP.

People keep talking about a drop-down, but maybe all that's needed is a quick note and link at the top of each forum? E.g. All views welcome, please post threads focused on xxxxx here (link) and on more general topics in feminism here (link).

Because I don't see any sign that this is about not giving a GC perspective on feminism chat, or about not defending a lib fem angle on sex and gender. It's not even about denying the connection, is it? The threads on sex and gender are the ones that wouldn't exist but for gender ideology.

But summing up xxxx is hard - it's really for topics about the infringement of women's sex based rates through gender ideology, but I can't think of a neutral way to say that and do think it should be neutral in a forum heading.

It seems weird that a thread asking about different kinds of feminism should end up being booted out of Feminism. @MNHQ**

Not really, just been reading that thread and seems quite obvious why it was moved to the other board - started by a GC poster and took the usual turn where nobody really seemed to be bothering listening to other viewpoints, and right back onto the same old same old trans debate

Are there any guidelines about what we should post where? It seems weird that a thread asking about different kinds of feminism should end up being booted out of Feminism. @MNHQ

It's very very confusing. @MNHQ.

Except the posters talking about racism do seem to be saying that it applies to any white woman, as far as I understand it.

No worries, Closdes

Oh right, OK - hadn't read all of that thread as it was fairly long.
So, some people have pointed out that sometimes feminism ignores women who aren't white?
What's wrong with pointing that out?
I'll never understand why some people (not necessarily meaning you, more of a general you) feel personally attacked when others speak about that - if it doesn't apply to you, then they're not talking about you, are they?
Would you rather people just shushed and kept quiet, to pretend it's not there or not an issue or something?

X posted.
Although, it still appears in the Feminism Chat listings. Not Sex and Gender.

Oh for an edit button indeed Crocus, sorry for the x post there.

In my defense, it was originally in Feminism chat, and was moved.

Oh, for an edit button 🙄

Sorry, thought you were asking about FWR both sections!
My mistake, this is in the sex and gender section.

Try this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4277565-So-what-is-non-gc-feminism?

posts not posters in the second sentence.

Quite helle.
Many of us saw posters being deleted for responding yawn or even bless not so long ago.
Again it appears there are double standards applied in modding, dependant on a poster's perspective.

I have seen some very ‘nits’ posting from posters telling posters that they cannot post on the Chat board. Some very aggressive posts that would surely not have been allowed previously.

Ffs. Justine was clear. Everyone is welcome to post on either thread. It is not segregated by type of feminism.