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Do Mumsnet have to report intent to break the law

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LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 10:19

If a poster openly declares an intent to break the law, are Mumsnet under an obligation to forward their details to the police?

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LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 15:52

What if it was 15 people, 20 people, 100 people, 1000 people?
at what point would you think it is reportable?

What if the next person disagrees with your figure and doubles it? The

Luckily, you don't have to decide because it has been set at 6. It's not a grey area for you, me or Mumsnet to decide. It has been set at 6. The line has been drawn and there it is. Over 6 and you will be fined.

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Saucery · 10/09/2020 15:50

Report a throwaway email address and false details to the police? They probably won’t be doing that, no. I expect the police have better things to do, as they will when people phone them to say their neighbour has 6 people visiting them.

SqidgeBum · 10/09/2020 15:49

@ApolloandDaphne common sense isnt something that is encouraged these days, just rule following ..... except when the government says to use your common sense ..... but then shouts at you for using it ..... People are more about 'reporting' those around them these days.

I know a few other countries, both now and in the past, where reporting those who go against government law around civil liberties like who you can see and where you can go was/is encouraged. It always works out well.

PremierInn · 10/09/2020 15:49

Timewasting is also a crime

Aposterhasnoname · 10/09/2020 15:48

Are you seriously expecting Mumsnet to give report and pass on personal details of someone to the police for having a party for 10 people instead of 6. Really!

Fuck me is this what we’ve become. There’s really no hope for us.

LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 15:47

@ApolloandDaphne

I really don't think that you can compare someone perhaps declaring their intention to kill or carry out a terrorist attack with someone planning to convene a birthday party with more than the legal number of people! Let's have some common sense here.
Are you suggesting that we all decide what laws to follow and which to ignore?

Do you think there might be a problem with that down the road?

@ivfbeenbusy. Yes, that what's I want to say. you've said it better.

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ApolloandDaphne · 10/09/2020 15:44

I really don't think that you can compare someone perhaps declaring their intention to kill or carry out a terrorist attack with someone planning to convene a birthday party with more than the legal number of people! Let's have some common sense here.

ivfbeenbusy · 10/09/2020 15:43

I would prefer MN to report law breaking if I'm honest. And they have a legal and moral duty to do so

Who is MN to decide which laws are flexible and that don't have to be followed? And how do they decide which laws are reportable or not?! What might be a victimless "minor" crime to some MN members isn't the case for others

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/09/2020 15:41

Yeah but to make a Conspiracy charge stick, the police usually need evidence that some action has been taken. Like a WhatsApp group or invitations saying "BTW don't tell the rozzers".

LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 15:38

@FTMF30

OP, would you want MN to report people?
I'm wondering if they have a duty to do so when intent to break the law is clearly expressed.

'snitch net'- a bit silly surely, implying that it is wrong to report people who do wrong. We're not living in Sherwood Forest, all on the side of Robin Hood or in an Enid Blyton Mallory Towers novel or even the gangster conclaves of 1930s England.

If I see, read or hear of someone breaking-or intending to break the law-I will report them to the relevant authorities.

I'm wondering if that is the same for a host site which allows such views to stand.

My opinion is that it should report any intent to break the law because it's not up to any site to take upon itself the task of deciding which people it will report. That would imply that Mumsnet is an arbiter of which laws should be obeyed and I don't think that is their role.

If someone has declared their intention to break the law and Mumsnet allows that post to stand, presumably that means that Mumsnet agrees with the breaking of that law.

I don't know though and, as I said earlier, no-one else seems to know either so I suppose the police would have to decide what, if anything, to do.

Anyway, thanks again for all the views.

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Pobblebonk · 10/09/2020 14:58

@SqidgeBum

Surely police can only do something when a crime has been committed. They can't arrest or do anything to someone on the premise that they may at some point in the future commit a crime. If that was the case, we could all be locked up because, in the future, we may break the speed limit or we may steal something from a shop or we may have a drink and then drive.

What a bizarre concept.

Well, no. Attempting/conspiring to commit offences are offences in themselves.
Mydarlingsleepthief · 10/09/2020 14:46

Oh please 😂

NiceGerbil · 10/09/2020 14:46

Oh.

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 10/09/2020 14:44

Someone is having a birthday party with 10 guests NiceGerbil

NiceGerbil · 10/09/2020 14:41

I'd report someone who I found out was planning a terrorist attack to the police.

I expect MNHQ would as well.

Not read the thread. What's being planned?!

EDSGFC · 10/09/2020 14:41

I don't know about MN reporting people but I do think posts actively encouraging people to break the law should be taken down

FTMF30 · 10/09/2020 14:39

OP, would you want MN to report people?

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/09/2020 14:23

I dont think Mumsnet should become Snitchnet.Shock

ivfbeenbusy · 10/09/2020 13:38

I have also wondered this - I've seen many people on the IVF boards state they are lying to the NHS to obtain free fertility treatment - eg NHS rules state if you pay privately for a cycle of IVF first then it gets deducted from any NHS cycles - if you were only entitled to one on the NHS then the person would get no free NHS cycles. But some posters freely admit to lying and saying they haven't had any previous private treatment so they can get the NHS one? Which in my mind is blatant fraud? And therefore illegal?
Where does MN draw the line? If we report those posts then they just get removed? Doesn't MN have a social as well as legal responsibility to report these members to relevant bodies/authorities?

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/09/2020 13:36

That poster is only going break the law in a specific and limited way.

Apparently that's all the rage now, as long as you announce it in advance @FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack.Grin

OP, if all the people on the net who say they will break the rules are reported, the service would break. It takes time and effort tracking down the real person behind the screen name. Then, they have to wait until the crime is committed. That's a whole lot of resources for something minor or that may not even happen at all.

EDSGFC · 10/09/2020 13:23

Whether MNHQ should hand over details to the police or not I am shocked that they allow posts encouraging people to break the law to stand.

I can't imagine they'd allow a post telling someone to drink drive, because they'd likely get away with it, to stand would they?

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 10/09/2020 13:20

That poster is only going break the law in a specific and limited way.

That's fine now.

LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 13:16

No, I wasn't comparing the crime-I was comparing the principle.

I don't think that there would be too many 'crimes' would be a justification for the police to ignore them.

Anyway, no-one really seems to know the answer, so I suppose the best people to ask would be the police or one of these new Covid Marshalls.

Thanks everyone.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 10/09/2020 13:12

OP, 7 people consensually sharing space is in no way comparable to terrorism or conspiracy to murder.

MNHQ should not be handing over members' personal details. And the police will not appreciate being completely overwhelmed by reports.Hmm

LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 13:01

@SqidgeBum

Surely police can only do something when a crime has been committed. They can't arrest or do anything to someone on the premise that they may at some point in the future commit a crime. If that was the case, we could all be locked up because, in the future, we may break the speed limit or we may steal something from a shop or we may have a drink and then drive.

What a bizarre concept.

I think that's wrong.

If someone is drunk and says that they will drive their car home and can't be dissuaded, would the police respond.

What if someone declares that they will murder someone.

What if someone talks about their intent to bomb a pop concert.

Would it really be of no interest to the police?

I thought, maybe wrongly, that if someone announced-in public-their intent to commit a crime, then informing the police of that intent would be the right thing to do.

I certainly thought that the owners of a website in which that intent was announced would have a duty to inform the police but maybe not and that is why I'm asking.

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