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Do Mumsnet have to report intent to break the law

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LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 10:19

If a poster openly declares an intent to break the law, are Mumsnet under an obligation to forward their details to the police?

OP posts:
Quaagars · 10/09/2020 16:25

Well that would shut down all covid chat pretty quickly

This Grin
Also can you imagine if every time somebody had a rant on here about something (maybe parking like a wrong 'un, where would it stop?)
There'd be nowt left to post about Grin

Port1aCastis · 10/09/2020 16:24

As far as I know MNHQ have e-mail addresses and they could track someone from their ISP number but posters of bullshit and those who practice showboating for attention are not necessarily committing a crime as what they post may be utter bollocks or not! The police have better things to do than trot round everyone's house because someone says the occupant may possibly be going to commit a crime such as have an extra bod in their house.

mrsnorrismeow · 10/09/2020 16:23

I'm sure anyone who thinks like this knows absolutely no one who actually works for the police. If you did, you would know that they will take as much notice of MN reporting that poster 56745 from Doncaster is intending to have Bill, Bob, Sue, Toby, Jack, John and Karen round for tea as they would if you called up and asked them to remove the spider in your bath.

They haven't got the fucking resources.

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 10/09/2020 16:22

Thank you so much for this thread. I’d been feeling a little down but this has given me a proper belly laugh. 😂

mrsnorrismeow · 10/09/2020 16:21

Please do go to the police with this though. They will laugh you out of the room.

movingonup20 · 10/09/2020 16:20

@LovelyLovelyMe

Inciting violence, plotting murder etc is a crime. Saying that you might have 7 to Christmas dinner (many weeks away) even if the law isn't changed is not a crime.

The police can only intervene with a drunk driver once they are in the drivers seat.

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2020 16:20

@rambleon1

OP must be on a wind up, no one gives a toss that much, do they?
I think a small minority do yes, they want anyone who doesn’t comply reported and arrested, they will spy on their neighbours and report, their work colleagues, their friends, their family. And they will report them given a chance or urge someone else to.

Welcome to the new army of Covid Marshalls. Many of them will be from the small minority group who feel as the op does.

mrsnorrismeow · 10/09/2020 16:19

Oh get fucked OP.

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 10/09/2020 16:19

@rambleon1

OP must be on a wind up, no one gives a toss that much, do they?
Oh, indeed they do! Spends loads of time thinking about it, too.
BittersweetMemories · 10/09/2020 16:18

I am honestly boggled at this.

Are you aware of the absolute filth that lives on the Internet, stuff a thousand times worse than someone considering holding a birthday party because it is against the law

Maybe you could spend all your free time reporting that to the police.

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2020 16:18

Op. Not all crimes are equal. The ones you mention are simoly not comparable to someone having a birthday party for ten people. A birthday party for ten people is more akin to driving at 32 miles an hour in a thirty zone.

I think you need to try to calm yourself down. I think we all understand for you it’s breaking the law and you wish the poster reported. But for most other people that’s just too much.

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 10/09/2020 16:18

@Aposterhasnoname

Are you seriously expecting Mumsnet to give report and pass on personal details of someone to the police for having a party for 10 people instead of 6. Really!

Fuck me is this what we’ve become. There’s really no hope for us.

This!

Yeah, you sound really 'lovely', OP.

I got told off and told I needed counselling for suggesting such a thing on that thread, Moondust, told I was 'sneery' and ridiculous.

FFS, now this 'duty' to trawl through tens of thousands of posts a day, if not more, to make sure none of them is 'against the law' and reporting them.

JFC.

rambleon1 · 10/09/2020 16:17

OP must be on a wind up, no one gives a toss that much, do they?

Rudolphian · 10/09/2020 16:17

@LovelyLovelyMe

Try looking at it this way.

A burglar is breaking the law. Hopefully, we would all want the burglar punished. It doesn't matter if the stuff taken was worth £100 or a million pounds.

It doesn't matter if the gathering is 7 or 700.

The law is absolute for a reason.

Good point about false email address but can't the computer be traced somehow. isn't that how Mumsnet bans posters?

Even if the poster couldn't be traced, what is the legal role of Mumsnet in this?

That was my original question. If they don't take a post down, a post clearly giving intent of breaking the law, maybe even inciting others to do the same, are they condoning it?

They're not unaware of it because it's been brought to their attention.

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Not sure if you realise but a burglar won't be punished. First of all the police are too busy to spend any time or resources on your burglary. The most you'll get is a reference number for your insurance. Even if the burglar is caught all they will get is a slap on the wrist. And it does matter if they stole £100 or a million worth of goods. If you're rich the Police will assist, the burglar will probably get caught and appropriately punished. If you've had your pension payment for the week stolen , well let's hope you've got a family member who can help cos it's unlikely you'll get any assistance from the state.
Pebblexox · 10/09/2020 16:15

This is the most pathetic thing I've ever read. The police will do their job in determining who is breaking the law and who isn't. If people are taking the piss other people will complain I'm sure.

Saucery · 10/09/2020 16:15

Isn’t it the police who have to put in a request for user details anyway? Not the site owner who has to offer them?

Kinneddar · 10/09/2020 16:12

It would need to be something really very serious and perceived to be a really credible threat. Tracing someone with the details MN hold is almost impossible. Its a slow time consuming process and it certainly wouldn't be considered for something like covid breaches - if that's what the OP is referring to

BittersweetMemories · 10/09/2020 16:12

Well done. You have won the award for thee most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here. Biscuit

To be clear, you are saying that you think MNHQ should report, to the police, the name and contact information of a person on an anonymous Internet forum for intending to have a gathering of more than 6 people.

Are you okay????

Rudolphian · 10/09/2020 16:09

Unfortunately this government is an absolute shitshow.
I dont think mnhq should be reporting people to the Police for organising a birthday party for 10 guests.
Is they have made ludicrous laws as citizens we have our own mind.
We all know the difference between drink-driving/ terrorism/ murder and sitting in the same house as your parents.
Some of the above is something to report to the Police but sitting in a group with your parents is not, nor is organising a birthday party.

Moondust001 · 10/09/2020 16:07

The law is absolute for a reason.
I'm sure the Chinese government agree with you. However, in a democratic society, that is not the case. If it were, then we would still have no votes for most people, slavery, and children working down mines. The law can be wrong, and it is a right to challenge the law and to protest. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not - in a democratic society people have the right to dissent, even if something is the law. That is how laws change.

Unless you are the current government, who appear to change laws simply because they have thought of a new one.

Saucery · 10/09/2020 16:07

They host a wide range of views, none of which they condone as such. As a site they host the views and allow debate.
There’ll be something legal in the guidelines that makes that clear, I imagine.

Iammariedtojacksparrow · 10/09/2020 16:06

It has been set at 6. The line has been drawn and there it is. Over 6 and you will be fined.

Unless its a school, workplace, wedding, funeral or a sporting event. The rules are not as black and white as you seem to be making out

Moondust001 · 10/09/2020 16:03

And only yesterday people were rubbishing comparisons to fascist and totalitarian states. Seems to me that we are getting way past theory. Now you should be locked up for thinking.

LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 16:02

Try looking at it this way.

A burglar is breaking the law. Hopefully, we would all want the burglar punished. It doesn't matter if the stuff taken was worth £100 or a million pounds.

It doesn't matter if the gathering is 7 or 700.

The law is absolute for a reason.

Good point about false email address but can't the computer be traced somehow. isn't that how Mumsnet bans posters?

Even if the poster couldn't be traced, what is the legal role of Mumsnet in this?

That was my original question. If they don't take a post down, a post clearly giving intent of breaking the law, maybe even inciting others to do the same, are they condoning it?

They're not unaware of it because it's been brought to their attention.

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OP posts:
ApolloandDaphne · 10/09/2020 15:52

@LovelyLovelyMe Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Some things in legal terms are far more serious than others. MNHQ have better things to do than trawl through threads and report to the police all the small and petty ways in which people break laws.