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Do Mumsnet have to report intent to break the law

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LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 10:19

If a poster openly declares an intent to break the law, are Mumsnet under an obligation to forward their details to the police?

OP posts:
TazMac · 10/09/2020 17:38

@LovelyLovelyMe

Have you considered becoming a Covid Marshall?

awesomeaircraft · 10/09/2020 17:37

btw, I am responding to the mention of terrorism raised by OP earlier. I see the convo has moved to cv19 now!

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 10/09/2020 17:36

@Bluntness100

This also feels a bit like ground hog day. When the restrictions were put in last time we saw people watching their neighbours, friends, colleagues and reporting them for any minor infringement.

This is the most extreme I’ve seen though, the restrictions aren’t even in yet and someone wants an anonymous poster reported and because they can’t get to them themselves they want mnhq to do it.

Because that’s what you want isn’t it op? You want mnhq to identify the poster and call the police on them so they can’t have the small party for their child, And hoped that there would be enough support on this thread to make it happen.

100% spot on!
awesomeaircraft · 10/09/2020 17:35

I expect MN has algorithms set for certain trigger words, so they can spot convos that will land them in trouble for example (libel cases, non disclosure deals, ongoing trials, etc) and shut them fast. Likewise they will gather stats on other keywords. It would be nice that they have terrorism related algorithm for private messaging but who knows?

However social media platforms have not been known to prevent or assist policing of crime (many news articles report how large SM platforms and phone providers have resisted police request to open up accounts/phones), so I expect MN are aligned with other SM platform on user privacy.

PhilCornwall1 · 10/09/2020 17:26

in the nicest possible way, OP, I truly think you need to step away from Mumsnet /social media for a while.
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This is a very unhealthy way of thinking*.

The OP will be out on the streets soon, having joined up to Boris' Army. They'll be too busy for social media, out doing whatever they won't have the powers to do.

KetoPenguin · 10/09/2020 17:24

Maybe they could just inbox us the £100 fine directly on MN.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 10/09/2020 17:19

@NotYourDawg

in the nicest possible way, OP, I truly think you need to step away from Mumsnet /social media for a while.

This is a very unhealthy way of thinking.

Hell yeah
Bluntness100 · 10/09/2020 17:18

This also feels a bit like ground hog day. When the restrictions were put in last time we saw people watching their neighbours, friends, colleagues and reporting them for any minor infringement.

This is the most extreme I’ve seen though, the restrictions aren’t even in yet and someone wants an anonymous poster reported and because they can’t get to them themselves they want mnhq to do it.

Because that’s what you want isn’t it op? You want mnhq to identify the poster and call the police on them so they can’t have the small party for their child, And hoped that there would be enough support on this thread to make it happen.

PhilCornwall1 · 10/09/2020 17:12

To be honest, what real details does MN have to pass on about someone? What really identifying information do they have about you?

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 10/09/2020 17:01

Every time I put on a mask when doing the shopping with DC I ask if we should go rob a shop. If OP hears me I expect I'll be the recipient of a flying tackle and citizens arrest.

That liven up the trip to Sainsbury's.

KatnissMellark · 10/09/2020 16:59

Oh get fucked OP.

🤣🤣🤣

AngelNova · 10/09/2020 16:58

@BittersweetMemories

Well done. You have won the award for thee most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here. Biscuit

To be clear, you are saying that you think MNHQ should report, to the police, the name and contact information of a person on an anonymous Internet forum for intending to have a gathering of more than 6 people.

Are you okay????

Yes! For a 1 year old baby!
Gingerkittykat · 10/09/2020 16:56

Here are the site terms and conditions.

It doesn't say anything about reporting crime but does say if someone identifiable is at risk then they will contact the authorities.

RoseTintedAtuin · 10/09/2020 16:50

The point at which it becomes reportable is when the law is broken. Stating intent is not against the law and it is not something that is required to be reported unless there is a law against it for example if it was a post about intent to murder and a person didn’t report it, having participated in a conversation and believing the intent you could be charged with being an accessory although highly unlikely (if not impossible) on an open Internet forum. Mumsnet does not have a duty of care to ensure its users do not commit a crime. They could not be fined. They are struggling to impose a duty of care on Facebook for users who have witnessed suicide and other very disturbing content which has had a direct harm against Facebook users (without which they would not have experienced the harm). Mumsnet is simply no comparison to this. So no duty of care breach and regardless no law broken means there is nothing to report.

Mum2jenny · 10/09/2020 16:49

I suspect that a large majority of people will break this law, but the brighter ones will not publicise their decision

Gunpowder · 10/09/2020 16:48

Got to be a wind up.

AngelNova · 10/09/2020 16:47

@LovelyLovelyMe

What if it was 15 people, 20 people, 100 people, 1000 people? at what point would you think it is reportable?

What if the next person disagrees with your figure and doubles it? The

Luckily, you don't have to decide because it has been set at 6. It's not a grey area for you, me or Mumsnet to decide. It has been set at 6. The line has been drawn and there it is. Over 6 and you will be fined.

Oh behave, Dominic Cummings broke the law in my home town but got away with it, the grinch is on here telling everyone he is going to Steal Christmas, so whilst you reporting a mum for celebrating her baby's 1st Birthday, perhaps report that and all the fraudsters on the IVF threads as well. The number you need is 101 🙄
CrunchyNutNC · 10/09/2020 16:42

I disagree about reporting to police (even if it were feasible/possible) but I don't think MN should be a place which normalises breaking the law. Argue the merit or otherwise of a law all day if you like, but it isn't a place to boast fully claim you will break it.

NotYourDawg · 10/09/2020 16:40

in the nicest possible way, OP, I truly think you need to step away from Mumsnet /social media for a while.

This is a very unhealthy way of thinking.

DonaldTrumpsChopper · 10/09/2020 16:40

Bearing in mind that someone can stand up in Parliament and state that the government intend to break the law, I don't think that Mumsnet don't have anything to worry about 🤣🤣

CrunchyNutNC · 10/09/2020 16:40

@Saucery

All anyone would have to do is throw in a few ‘theoretically’ in.

In theory, I could host a small garden party with 8 people in total. The risk would be incredibly low, unlike the very real risk I have every time I step into school for my job

And I think that's ok because i think that another reader is less likely to break the law reading that, than if it said 'I am having 8 people round for a party in my garden regardless of the rules as I think the risk is less than I have at work'.
Saucery · 10/09/2020 16:35

All anyone would have to do is throw in a few ‘theoretically’ in.

In theory, I could host a small garden party with 8 people in total. The risk would be incredibly low, unlike the very real risk I have every time I step into school for my job

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2020 16:34

It all reminds me a bit of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter. That’s the image that springs to mind,

CrunchyNutNC · 10/09/2020 16:30

@EDSGFC

I don't know about MN reporting people but I do think posts actively encouraging people to break the law should be taken down
This.

Given that MN is a moderated site it feels wrong for it not to extend the moderation policy to people who are inciting/encouraging others to break the law. There are some posters who admit to breaking a law (the 'inaccidentally broke the law' types) which are one thing, but then there are those who actively encourage others to break the law whilst admitting they also have or intend to - and this is not ok.

The danger of the spreading of misinformation about covid is known. Whilst you have to draw the line somewhere otherwise there is a risk of censorship, I think it is when someone states they intend to break a law the post should be taken down. You can make your point about why you disagree with a law without going as far as stating you intend to knowingly break it.

Quaagars · 10/09/2020 16:26

but posters of bullshit and those who practice showboating for attention are not necessarily committing a crime as what they post may be utter bollocks or not!

Exactly, how do you ascertain whether it's true or it's somebody just trying to be Billy Big Bollocks sounding well 'ard and talking out of their bum lol