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Do Mumsnet have to report intent to break the law

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LovelyLovelyMe · 10/09/2020 10:19

If a poster openly declares an intent to break the law, are Mumsnet under an obligation to forward their details to the police?

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RockingMyFiftiesNot · 13/09/2020 08:49

@ivfbeenbusy

I do think MN HQ should post on threads where people are advocating breaking rules/laws that MN policy is that it doesn't condone/support law breaking

MN HQ is very quick to jump in and remove posts/ ban posters for what I've seen are relatively minor things where discussions get heated simply because someone has expressed an unpopular opinion and yet it stays silent when people are advocating what is criminal behaviour (like it or not that is what breaking the law is)

The thread which I think prompted this OP (someone saying they were going to break the law and lots of people encouraging them to do so) has now been deleted.
hilariousnamehere · 11/09/2020 15:06

Leaving aside the more serious parts of this, I love that the OP thinks we are track-downable from our MN registration or IP address.

HMRC said that too, once, when introducing a law around EU VAT - and it was only when thousands of very tiny businesses explained patiently that IP address is not a valid or absolute way to determine where someone is located, and anyway it's very easy to fake or override, that they eventually backed down.

Wait, OP - was that you?! Grin

NiceGerbil · 11/09/2020 14:52

Given this law has got loads of Tory MPs really angry it's not clear cut at all.

Reading the news earlier it dawned on me that they have effectively outlawed demonstrations, which is pretty scary.

QuentinInQuarantino · 11/09/2020 12:54

This is interesting. People seem to fall into camps of "apply common sense" or "the law is absolute."

But laws are not always good for us. Laws are not always sensible. And laws are not always right. Add to that the very public law breaking our own lawmakers are doing with regards to Brexit and Barnard castle.

Without civil disobedience, many laws which we today consider abhorrent wouldn't have been changed

Rudolphian · 11/09/2020 12:45

@GalaxyCookieCrumble

Was it you *@LovelyLovelyMe* who tipped the press off since it's in all the papers? 😂😂😂🚓👮‍♂️🚓👮‍♂️
I read this today in the papers tooGrin
GalaxyCookieCrumble · 11/09/2020 10:55

Was it you @LovelyLovelyMe who tipped the press off since it's in all the papers? 😂😂😂🚓👮‍♂️🚓👮‍♂️

SqidgeBum · 11/09/2020 06:54

For everyone saying the OP must be winding people up and cannot be serious, I genuinely believe the OP is serious. Many people believe the 'law is absolute' and rules must always be followed, no matter how ridiculous those rules are. That's how governments control civil liberties like who you can see and where you can go on a mass scale; encouraging these people to report their neighbours, therefore creating fear.

NiceGerbil · 11/09/2020 00:06

'I'm not talking about the police, I'm saying would/should MN let a thread asking if committing burglary stand?'

Loads of threads by parents worried about their children's behaviour, possible crimes, partners drug use etc.

Of all the criminal activity discussed on MN, this seems like the lower end of the scale.

OP there are plenty of fairly open boards on the net where men discuss abusing women, rape, CSA etc. Are you posting the same sort of thing on those boards?

I would put money on no.

yawnsvillex · 10/09/2020 23:26

Would you like a Covid Marshall application form @LovelyLovelyMe ?

Domino20 · 10/09/2020 23:20

@LovelyLovelyMe

No, I wasn't comparing the crime-I was comparing the principle.

I don't think that there would be too many 'crimes' would be a justification for the police to ignore them.

Anyway, no-one really seems to know the answer, so I suppose the best people to ask would be the police or one of these new Covid Marshalls.

Thanks everyone.

I'm afraid we're already at the stage whereby police ignore crimes, it's common practice for them not to attend lower level crime incidents and then send a letter saying no further action will be taken.
TheGreatWave · 10/09/2020 23:16

I think, actually I know, that no one has ever been encouraged to or advised to rob a bank on a "I'm short of cash" thread, so the argument isn't the same.

Oh and Newcastle upon Tyne is in the NE of England.

wafflyversatile · 10/09/2020 23:03

It is all our responsibility OP not just mumsnet's. I trust you have already reported boris johnson to your local constabulary.

And you have reported the thread to the covid marshal.

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 10/09/2020 22:54

@TitianaTitsling bat Shottery?! Bats are a protected species, I'm ringing 999 right now Shock

Don't you just love auto correct getting you arrested? Grin

NaturalStudy · 10/09/2020 22:52

(Unless in some very infrequent and very specific circumstances) there is no legal obligation to inform the police that someone has said they will commit a crime. So no, Mumsnet doesn't have to report it. HTH.

SproutMuncher · 10/09/2020 22:41

What’s this about bananas?!

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 10/09/2020 22:23

*Are you aware of the absolute filth that lives on the Internet, stuff a thousand times worse than someone considering holding a birthday party because it is againstthe law

Maybe you could spend all your free time reporting that to the police.*

This with bells on. OP with the greatest of respect, get a grip & get a life.

Maybe start volunteering for your local emergency services and discover first hand some of the utter shit they have to deal with.

And start learning about PRIORITIES

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 10/09/2020 22:16

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

I'm going to be in a room with more than 30 people tomorrow. What are you going to do about it?Grin
That sounds like a challenge mate 😀
BogRollBOGOF · 10/09/2020 22:15

@Howallergic

OP. Check this out.

www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup

First just google 'what is my ip address'. It will give you a number. Enter the IP address into the above locator. See where it tells you that you are. It tells me I'm in Newcastle-Upon-Tyne. I don't even know where that is.

Can you just imagine the man hours to trace down a Mum who wants to invite a few people more than is entirely legal for a birthday party for her 1 year old.......... GET. A. FUCKING. GRIP.

Also that 1 year old's "party" may still be legal in some parts of the UK.

2x families of 4 meeting at the park.
Legal in Scotland.
Not legal in England.
15 children+ leaders in a youth group in the park. Legal in England.

Fortunately MN, GDPR and the police have more important things to be dealing with than less than a handful of surplus people that were legal when the plans were formed.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 10/09/2020 22:15

If not. Then they're not a very nice person, are they

They don’t sound nice anyway

And their name is a complete misnomer

TitianaTitsling · 10/09/2020 22:04

This is the best/worst thread ever! Hysteria, bat Shottery, conspiracy--loving the madness (but fear the Op is actually not in jest)

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 10/09/2020 21:57

@showmethewaytothemagic

Biscuit

To the people having a party. Each family can pre book themselves into a soft play and happen to bump into each other. Obviously they can't sit on the same big table, but they can chat at 1m as they'll be wearing masks inside , just like you can with a stranger? The kids can rascal. This is not full lockdown which is why this ruling is so stupid.

We did this unwittingly at the park. Me,DD another mum and her kids.Well within the guidelines and now law.

Half of DD's class were there too with their parents. No, we didn't run away screaming. The kids played,the adults chatted like normal people.

EDSGFC · 10/09/2020 21:53

[quote countrygirl99]@EDSGFC if they aren't investigating real, actual crimes that have already happened they sure aren't going to investigate Betty's plans for Sunday lunch however much you covis stasi crew would love it. And that's been the case for years, nothing new.[/quote]
I'm not talking about the police, I'm saying would/should MN let a thread asking if committing burglary stand?

showmethewaytothemagic · 10/09/2020 21:52
Biscuit

To the people having a party. Each family can pre book themselves into a soft play and happen to bump into each other. Obviously they can't sit on the same big table, but they can chat at 1m as they'll be wearing masks inside , just like you can with a stranger? The kids can rascal. This is not full lockdown which is why this ruling is so stupid.

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/09/2020 21:50

I work in a sensitive field where confidentiality is important. I am obligated by law to disclose information regarding current terrorism and international trafficking to the police. I do not have to disclose shoplifting, casual drug use, assaults or parties involving 6+ guests in a time of CV19.

countrygirl99 · 10/09/2020 21:42

@EDSGFC if they aren't investigating real, actual crimes that have already happened they sure aren't going to investigate Betty's plans for Sunday lunch however much you covis stasi crew would love it. And that's been the case for years, nothing new.