FWR clarification; deletion and strikes

The thread on Twitter gloating about successfully having trolled Mumsnet was linked in the thread on Mumsnet which had been started in order to harvest screenshots: it wasn't a supposition, it was openly admitted there.

Thank you for the reassurance that you do keep tabs on who is doing the reporting as well as who is reported. That is good to know.

I had a post deleted from a thread last week. The thread was very short (less than 20 posts iirc) and all the posts were made on a single day in February. Someone bumped it and I got a strike for my post.

MNHQ revoked the strike when I emailed to query it so I was pleased about that.

But it does seem fairly clear that malicious posters are trawling through old threads looking to find offence. And possibly targeting specific posters?

So if I understand a previous post correctly;

1. A new user bumps an old discussion thread with a new comment

1. The original OP who has been gone for aeons suddenly reappears

1. Comments from the old thread are then reported by outside users so that the thread or the comments will get deleted (and posters get new strikes, even though presumably the comments were made before the rules got ... draconian?)

This is very, very unfair.

I have just reported a post asking MN to respond to our concerns and questions.

FFS MN

I missed the end, but the op was expressing themselves with vigour when I last looked.

Ah, lovebombing, was it?

Because reasons

Why was it deleted?

Completely agree. Mnhq should reinstate it.

I think the thread that was deleted earlier this evening on FWR should have stood.

There was not a single deletion that I could see at the point it was pulled. What there was was a typical bad faith “plopper” OP, and an object lesson in how to demolish their points. I’ve no doubt MN did get plenty of reports in its latter stages - from the “monitors” who realised it wasn’t going the way they’d hoped. And that’s exactly why it should have stood, rather than giving the immature Twitter gloaters the opportunity of claiming the thread had to be pulled because we are all so transphobic

more communication would be great, so we can better understand what's going on. Ta

That would be very helpful MNHQ. Unnecessary time and hassle for mods and posters could be reduced if things were made clearer.

I suspect MNHQ are hoping that FWR will just quietly die off. They'll get bad press if they kill it off, but being a "hotbed of transphobia" is a PITA for them too. I'm sure they just want FWR done but want to try and keep their hands clean.

It is horrible.
Policing language, deleting threads.
Walking on eggshells and not even the courtesy of an explanation.
Who is doing this and is there any consensus at HQ?
Is is another intern with an agenda?
I have been on MN for years and years. I thought it was a safe place for women, but it is not looking like that any more.

Can we do it by reporting our posts to them, perhaps? Better during the day rather than now, though.

Does anyone know how we can tag MNHQ?

more communication would be great, so we can better understand what's going on. Ta.

Yes please

Adding my voice here to those above. Has sonething changed wrt modding FWR?

Threads are vanishing and I often really can't see why. Increasingly I feel that there is such a long list of things forbidden on FWR (not on other boards) that I am walking on eggshells. To be perfectly honest it reminds me of being in an abusive relationship - rules changing without prior warning, monitors so quick to censure and pass judgement, the ever present threat of 'strikes'.

I value this space hugely, but it's becoming more and more unpleasant and unsettling for those who actually use it.

I also consider FWR the absolute engine of the site, from that board springs so much insight, support, information and interesting discussion. MN'd be a shadow of a place without it, but I feel it's being slowly diminished and shut down.

Just giving a view as a user - I guess things might look very different from the moderating seat. But more communication would be great, so we can better understand what's going on. Ta.

Very good points well made by Asking Questions and Humpty. MN are currently being played. I'm getting fed up of it and am sure that without intervention, FWR will be a ghost town before long. Which is exactly what these saboteurs want.

I am on another board where the moderators keep a note of not just which posts have been reported, but by whom the reports are made -- not just for that post but for all posts. So if one person reports umpteen posts on a given Friday and is silent for the rest of the time, it gets noticed.

There is an offence on that board called "vexatious reporting", which is seen as a waste of the moderators' time. Someone who posts little or nothing him- or her- or them- or whatever-else-self but constantly reports the posts of others, particularly if the posts reported tend to be by the same poster or posters, will fairly soon be warned of unacceptable behaviour, and if he etc persists, banned from the board. I think there may be an upper limit per day, or something, possibly of reports which are not up upheld.

I have no idea whether this would be possible for Mumsnet, but if it were it would be enormously reassuring to be told both that it is possible and that it is done. That way, if we have actually said something wrong we can be sure that we have, and if we haven't we can be reasonably sure we are not being reported just for existing.

It's like MN is being used by outsiders hmm as a platform for planted posts that become screenshots to vilify Mumsnetters

This^

And also what Humpty said.

MN, it really does look like you are being played. Please don't be fooled/fools.