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MNHQ - I hope you are going to release your own statement on GMB Union

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OvaHere · 26/05/2020 10:48

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3920159-GMB-Statement-on-transphobia?pg=2

I'm horrified how little their commitment to women's employment rights matter during a global pandemic. It smacks of paying lip service to something they clearly think so little of if it can be rescinded on the flimsiest of accusations.

It's a common theme for men to punish women as a class for the perceived transgressions of a few. Almost biblical and reminiscent of the 'original sin' narrative.

Not only are GMB Union withdrawing legal advice from women here who discuss feminism they are also withdrawing it from every demographic of women who use this site.

I'm truly appalled at this behaviour whilst the country is in crisis. I hope you push back officially against this. It goes way beyond a company that chooses not to advertise - it's the withdrawing of legal advice for women who 'might' have committed wrongthink.

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Lordfrontpaw · 27/05/2020 08:18

I see they have a chat on Facebook this afternoon. facebook - that bastion of calm.

Lordfrontpaw · 27/05/2020 08:16

[quote WTFSeriously]@JustineMumsnet I saw this on twitter & thought you should be aware & consider doing some of your own 'analysis' of those currently waging a harassment campaign aimed at MN income streams.

I think it's high time that the knee jerk reactions of companies who capitulate to these bullies/harassers was looked at in similar depth, as I think weak decisions made off the back of serial trolls concerted campaigns should be challenged more robustly. If you haven't already, please consider employing someone to look at the wider picture & gather your own intel/build your own picture to really see what's going on & where it's coming from. [/quote]
This quote this is good... but the twitter link is definitely worth a look. I hope those at the GMB are looking at it too.

Melroses · 27/05/2020 08:11

Get in touch directly with your union Grasspigeons and tell them how you feel. It is important.

Grasspigeons · 27/05/2020 07:41

Im so disappointed. I joined GMB because a female rep came out, said they had more female reps than any other union and more female members than any other union and its members were more like me.

Melroses · 27/05/2020 07:33

Yes, totally agree. I stand here not surprised at all.

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 27/05/2020 00:15

^ that.

Most interesting. And not at all surprising.

WTFSeriously · 26/05/2020 23:41

@JustineMumsnet I saw this on twitter & thought you should be aware & consider doing some of your own 'analysis' of those currently waging a harassment campaign aimed at MN income streams.

I think it's high time that the knee jerk reactions of companies who capitulate to these bullies/harassers was looked at in similar depth, as I think weak decisions made off the back of serial trolls concerted campaigns should be challenged more robustly. If you haven't already, please consider employing someone to look at the wider picture & gather your own intel/build your own picture to really see what's going on & where it's coming from.

JulesJules · 26/05/2020 23:20

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 26/05/2020 22:56

Well said, Cara. We're all right behind you on this one, Justine.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 20:28

Thank you Justine.

Datun · 26/05/2020 19:24

Pelleas

Agree this is awful behaviour. Whether or not you agree with everything that's posted on Mumsnet, people are entitled to freedom of speech - you'd have thought a Trade Union would recognise that.

You've nailed it there Pelleas. We can, and do, justify what we say on FWR, but it's not really the point, is it?

A trade union represent its members.

Of course, those members are going to have different views. It's the whole point of being human.

It's not the top of a union to police what their members think.

HereWeGoAgain234 · 26/05/2020 19:16

It’s called cry bullying. GMB has been fooled into thinking that Mumsnet are the bad guys.

Leftwithnovoice · 26/05/2020 18:57

The gmb seem to have bowed to bullying. It’s a shame that.

But they are not the only one to do fuck all about bullying yet are falling over themselves to be all inclusive to the point of exclusion of women. Despite all the protestations to the contrary.

Pelleas · 26/05/2020 18:41

Agree this is awful behaviour. Whether or not you agree with everything that's posted on Mumsnet, people are entitled to freedom of speech - you'd have thought a Trade Union would recognise that.

Melroses · 26/05/2020 17:57

This is awful behaviour by the GMB. They have bowed to pressure from an online pile-on of people who don't need them. We are going through an unprecedented time of uncertainty with confusing and changing guidelines, and when people in minimum wage employment, a large proportion of them women, will need unions as never before and GMB seem to have lost sight of their purpose in this.

Datun · 26/05/2020 17:53

I hope they reconsider for the sake of the women who most need support during this pandemic

You can't just withdraw support from people, many of whom will be your members, because some other people, many of whom will be your members, say something that someone else doesn't like!

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 26/05/2020 17:50

And what cara said

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 26/05/2020 17:50

Thank you Justine. I'm completely behind you on this one as are many of the women here

I hope they reconsider for the sake of the women who most need support during this pandemic

Absolutely

Lockdownlooks · 26/05/2020 17:48

I would have expected the GMB to have done their homework before agreeing to the project. They should have known any controversies that surround MN, just google! If they did that and agreed or were stupid enough not to they should have at least answered the questions that were there.

HereWeGoAgain234 · 26/05/2020 17:36

2 judges and 1 QC have taken a fairly “Mumsnet line” on trans issues.

1 comedian however: yeah let’s listen to him because he’s whipped up a twitter mob and got a lot of likes

OvaHere · 26/05/2020 16:49

Yes. Great post Cara Star

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CaraDune · 26/05/2020 16:45

I de-regged a while back to stop myself wasting so much time on MN. I've re-regged to post this in the hope that GMB actually reads this thread, because I'm so angry about this.

Because really, when you strip it down, it is horrifyingly outrageous.

A man (of no discernible talent or merit) throws a hissy fit on twitter. On the basis of his completely unfounded accusations which (even were they true, which I don't think they are) apply to only a tiny corner of the site, GMB pulls a support thread about employment rights for a site with 12 million unique members, mostly female, at the time of the biggest crisis the UK has faced in 75 years, with a looming economic depression to end all depressions on the horizon, the first effects of which are beginning to be felt and are already hitting women disproportionately (even the Daily Telegraph are running articles on this, for Christ's sake).

Rank misogyny at its absolutely most naked.

GMB - your actions are making you look like you rate mediocre, whinging middle-class male comics far above your female membership in importance. It is not a good look. And I say that as someone who has been a trade union member, branch council member and activist for decades.

OvaHere · 26/05/2020 16:41

Thank you Justine. I'm completely behind you on this one as are many of the women here.

I hope they reconsider for the sake of the women who most need support during this pandemic.

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JustineMumsnet · 26/05/2020 16:31

Thanks everyone for your posts here. Wanted to let you know that I've contacted the General Secretary of the GMB Union and offered to discuss any specific concerns raised with him and the President of the Union. We very much hope that once they have the full picture and are appraised of our moderation stance they'll recommence their activity. Will keep you posted.

Datun · 26/05/2020 15:47

"Sorry, your rights and your health and your life aren't worth protecting because you don't believe men should be allowed to access single sex spaces".

Really?! Do they even think how that fucking sounds?

It's unbelievable.

They honestly couldn't have got it more wrong.