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Discrimination on Mumsnet

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PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 16:58

Dear MNHQ

I would like to ask you about the benefits bashing threads that pop up on Mumsnet on a regular basis. Obviously, I believe in free speech etc., but I feel these threads are discriminatory and stereotype a certain group of people.

Comb through any of these threads and you will find the same themes. Accusations of benefits claimants being feckless scroungers who spend their money on booze, fags, big TVs, Sky etc. Accusations that disabled people “fake it” so that they can nab a “free car” and so on.

Threads which stereotype, marginalise and “other” people should not be tolerated (and usually aren’t, as far as I can tell) and IMHO this should include the benefits bashing threads.

I would be grateful for your thoughts.

Peace and love.

PIPinghell

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TheQueef · 07/02/2020 19:01

Grin ooh mine's massive!
I get carried away though and get deleted Sad

PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 18:59

Benefit and Social housing threads always get my dander up.

I've always wondered what a dander is and how it gets up! Grin

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BIWI · 07/02/2020 18:58

I do think MNHQ needs to be a bit more aware, it shouldn't always be down to posters to police the site.

This is the only way that posters/posts will be policed. MN isn't a moderated site, and there are far, far too many posts for them to be able to read them all! It does, therefore, come down to all of us to report when we see anything that is against Talk Guidelines.

PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 18:57

Worra, yes, you're right , but if there are regular reports about these type of threads, maybe MNHQ could at least post something to say they won't be tolerated. Possibly I am asking too much. Maybe the answer for me is to just not come on Mumsnet any longer, so I won't see the bloody horrible threads!

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TheQueef · 07/02/2020 18:57

It's social commentary unfortunately.
There are Benefit Scroungers and Benefit Cheats.
No genuine clients just opportunist grabbers and fraudsters.

Benefit and Social housing threads always get my dander up.

WorraLiberty · 07/02/2020 18:47

I do think MNHQ needs to be a bit more aware, it shouldn't always be down to posters to police the site.

But this site is massive.

There's no way HQ can sit and read every post on every thread. The only possible way is for members to report.

PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 18:44

TalaxuArmiuna this isn't a TAAT or a particular post, but about the way benefits claimants are talked about in general at times on Mumsnet. I have been a member for many years on and off and have seen so many of these threads. I do think MNHQ needs to be a bit more aware, it shouldn't always be down to posters to police the site. As someone upthread said, MNHQ do seem to ignore some kinds of discrimination on the site whilst (rightly) clamping down on others.

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TalaxuArmiuna · 07/02/2020 18:34

I think it's better to report the individual threads or posts rather than starting a new thread about them.

my experience of mumsnet is that it is generally very supportive of people on benefits: typically people are very helpful in advising disabled and ill people on how to get through pip and ESA assessment interviews, and how to ensure they are getting all they are entitled to when it's clear they can't get money except via benefits.

yes you will see an occasional poster asking why they can't get a job if it's not clear why someone should be supported by the tax payer. that's not discrimination. in the absence of a disability or carer status which are incompatible with earning (and plenty of people with such issues are entirely capable of earning anyway) it's a fair question.

PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 18:33

Thanks Lily, I have just now reported a post on one of the current benefit bashing threads. I have lost count though of the number of these threads that pop up though.

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LilyMumsnet · 07/02/2020 18:29

Hi OP,

Thanks for sharing your concerns with us - we're really sorry to hear that you feel there's discrimination on the site.

As ever, we do rely on user reports to alert us to concerns on the boards - we likely haven't seen something if it hasn't been reported.

Please do report anything that's concerning you - we are always more than happy to take a look.

PortiaCastis · 07/02/2020 18:14

I'm a single Mother and I'm sick of the stereotyping and someone who knows someones cousin up the road who's getting thousands and all the other acusatory nonsense blah blah!

So I suggest a link to the government rules be posted to the top of every benefits bashing thread so we can all sort out the bullshit from the actual
As per

www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-and-you/universal-credit-and-you-a

APatchyTomCat · 07/02/2020 18:11

I’m sure MNHQ will say they rely on users to report and always delete when they see discrimination.

Not sure they can do much else really

FlibbertyGiblets · 07/02/2020 18:08

And yes BIWI you make a good point too.

PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 18:08

BIWI I report those that I see when I can. You are right about age discrimination.

Possibly I was mistaken in starting this thread, but I am so very tired of it all. I am going to bow out now and wait and see what MNHQ say.

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FlibbertyGiblets · 07/02/2020 18:07

The problem might be that people leap to decry disabled people making fraudulent claims , ignoring different types of benefits*. OP you have a point.

*This makes sense in my head but it has been a Bit of a Week and I'm awfully tired.

BIWI · 07/02/2020 18:02

Are you reporting the posts you see? IME MNHQ are pretty responsive in deleting things that are discriminatory apart from age discrimination which sometimes they seem blind to

WorraLiberty · 07/02/2020 18:02

To be fair, HQ can't read every thread, so they obviously rely on members to report.

PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 18:00

Is the problem that you think they're not deleting enough of them when you report?

They don't always get deleted and obviously I don’t see every single one! I suppose part of the reason I posted this is because I think this kind of discrimination isn’t taken as seriously as other forms, on Mumsnet and in the wider world.

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Doyoumind · 07/02/2020 17:55

To be fair, there have been a number of programmes on TV that have shown people scamming the system, which probably impacts on people's perceptions. Anything unsuitable gets deleted though, so I think YABU.

Divebar · 07/02/2020 17:54

I don’t have a problem with people claiming benefits - my attitude is “ there but for the grace of god”. I don’t presume everyone is claiming fraudulently and I’m not generalising about benefit claimants as a group.

WheresMyChocolate · 07/02/2020 17:53

The biggest perpetrators of disabled benefit fraud are the government whose dishonesty deprives disabled people of the benefits they're entitled to every single day.

WorraLiberty · 07/02/2020 17:50

Growingboys my husband is disabled and I have seen plenty of threads about people faking their disability etc. Plenty. Mumsnet will be aware of some of the threads as they have deleted a number over the years.

So they do delete them then?

Is the problem that you think they're not deleting enough of them when you report?

Divebar · 07/02/2020 17:47

I didn’t say there were lots - but you do see them in newspapers. I have no idea how anyone would put a figure on how many fraudulent claims there are... either figures are estimated or they’re using conviction rates.

HardAsSnails · 07/02/2020 17:47

MNHQ Have always been pretty good at deleting such threads in the past, often on the grounds of 'not in the spirit' and/or not supporting parents. Has that changed?

PIPinghell · 07/02/2020 17:44

That was in response to Divebar.

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