Permanent posting bans

This is a terrible decision, am fast losing faith in this site

We're not able to discuss individual bans but please be assured we don't make these decisions lightly, and we discuss them at length before taking any action.

No I am not assured. I am less assured every time something like this happens. I am less assured every time a comment is deleted for incomprehensible reasons. I am less assured every time a brilliant woman is told to 'go well' when she has never been abusive or even particularly impolite. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. If Lang fell foul of the rules to the extent she needs permanently banning then I don't understand the rules. I feel like we're all on borrowed time, waiting to be picked off, one by one, by the twitter monitors.

You are being massively played by people who wish only harm to this site.

We've all said this lots of times before though and it's just got worse.

A couple of years ago you were absolute trailblazers on allowing any sort of debate to be had here on gender and sex when no other platform would. Times change. #NoDebate is dead. You're not special any more.

I think this is one in a long string of inconsistent and frankly worrying moderating decisions by HQ.

Wow. I rarely post on MN anymore because trying to understand the moderation rules and the reasoning behind the decisions on FWR is like trying to knit with fog with one hand tied behind your back.

Agree it looks like the TRAs squeal loudly enough until they get MN to do their bidding. Can MNHQ really not see the agenda of them wanting to silence outspoken women? And instead they’re being complicit. Shame on them.

When LangCleg thread it trending as high up as it is, you need to admit you’ve been heavy handed. I’ve been reading and rather admiring her posts for some time, alongside a few other key posters, there is nothing phobic or unkind with the posts, they just disagree with the Tra’s position.
Also, it is possibly the kindest interpretation to say that “We mail with regards to deletions and within these mails” is disingenuous,as there is much evidence that this is not always the case. You are not even handed on the Feminist board, you do not even have the appearance of evenhandedness. The fact that you have to have a separate list of rules (some hidden, or vague) testament to this.

This is the first time I have written in this manner. My positions are generally about as beige as you can get, but in an unfair world, your position stands out as unfair - and just wrong!

We try very hard to remind users of the talk guidelines and when these are broken regularly or disregarded on the boards, we have no choice but to consider banning.

The talk guidelines keep changing, and indeed the feminism topic has different moderation to the rest of the site. It makes it really difficult not to ever break TG’s, and LangCleg demonstrably had misogynists on Twitter who hate her child safeguarding expertise who were leaping on to vexatiously report every transgression. They’re now boasting about it.
I thought this site was meant to be by parents, for parents? Safeguarding matters to parents.

Mumsnet you are in the wrong here. FWR is the main reason I come to this site and Lang's opinion was one I valued more than most. Her comments have never struck me as aggressive or hateful, she is forthright, informed and accurate. Why are you letting this site and its users be bullied by people who wish to control women's voices and thoughts?

Speak for yourself Joss. The only person I can see well placed as part of a wall is you.

Well done, MN

Really disappointed @MNHQ - Langcleg is a loss to FWR.

I've been suspended before and had to ask for a reason which was given 2 days later.

It looks like MN is in a controlling relationship.

@LilyMumsnet "we would have had lots of chats with you prior to issuing to a permanent ban, we can assure you." you might want to double check that as it is not always the case. Sometimes it's one click

In this case we have people boasting how easy it is to get you to ban someone from their list. That can't be a desirable outcome surely.

That gloating tweet FFS

Who is running this show?

You know specific posters are being targeted MNHQ^, this was such a disappointing decision.

Absolutely despicable MNHQ

@LilyMumsnet @MNHQ @MichaelMumsnet

Please look at WHO has been reporting LangCleg. I suspect a pattern will emerge.

We mail with regards to deletions and within these mails, we do say that continuing to break talk guidelines may lead to suspension/banning, so we'd hope that it would never come to that stage (in that we've given plenty of warning).

I had a post deleted on the webchat. The post disappeared quite quickly, but I didn't receive the message from mumsnet warning about suspension until nearly 3 hours later. If I had made more posts which broke talk guidelines during that time, would I have been suspended, even though they were made before I received the warning email?

Is it still the case you have to have been here a while before you can post a thread in Sex? I think we need something like that where you can't just turn up and start posting or reporting on the feminism boards without some kind of history. It's just so open to abuse. That would be bad for people new to MN topic but they could still lurk.

and we would have had lots of chats with you prior to issuing to a permanent ban, we can assure you.

Is this new policy going forward? It hasn’t been to date. Or at least certainly hasn’t always been applied. There are cases where posters have been banned without any warning. Or is the above alluding to what happened with Langcleg? You had lots of chats with her?

I have no idea about the poster in question or the chat they were in, and make no comment of judgment on that.

A reminder: Mumsnet is its own entity and can do whatever the fuck it likes in its own forums, within the constricts of its EULA and privacy agreement with you.

Membership and posting is not a right. Unmoderated environments are almost invariably toxic hellholes. Mumsnet is a commercial entity that looks out first and foremost to its own bottom line.

Posters - all of us - are merely content generators to get eyeballs onto the site for advertising revenue. Anything else that happens as a side effect (and there's lots of positive stuff) is just that - a side effect.

Now carry on.

Not sure how any of that is relevant to a poster asking for clarification on MNHQs banning policy but at least you got it off your chest.