The deletion of the Upfield thread on AIBU

What happened? What allegations? Would somebody mind summarising?

And I assume people who avoid FWR for being aggressive and viper-ish, avoid AIBU?

But of course AIBU is just robust debate and telling it like it is but when it's women discussing their rights, it's aggressive, vitriolic bile

I have never understood the “I hide the FWR boards” attitude. Do people think the nasty scary feminists are going to leap through the screen and perform enforced consciousness raising or kidnap baby boys and whisk them off to a re-education camp?

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles* it is a pit of vipers though. Sorry but it is.

I have no doubt that there are some valid points made, but as a rule they’re so overtaken by the amount of bile and vitriol on there that it’s not hard to see why it’s the most hidden topic on MN"

NoCauseRebel This just isn't true. Below is a screenshot of the the most recent threads in FWR Chat. Hardly inflammatory or hate filled or vicious! There really is no bile or vitriol, just intelligent/interesting discussions, and raising of awareness, of issues that affect women. Any individual posts that MN deem to be offensive will be deleted, just as they are in the whole site.

Interesting that FWR is always accused of being full of vipers, bile and vitriol and should be avoided, when it is a place mostly frequented by women discussing women's' rights. I actually find it refreshing to hear the voices of so many intelligent, articulate women who don't feel the need to apologise for their beliefs (as I note you do, interestingly).

Funnily enough, it's never twitter/other social media, people want to hide or avoid or silence, it's just women dominated spaces or discussion of womens' rights. And ironically, one of the very reasons we need the FWR boards.

it is a pit of vipers though. Sorry but it is.

Ah, yes - the tried and tested way of describing women who express views that are controversial or uncomfortable to hear intelligently and articulately.

Thank you for that @NeurotrashWarrior. I definitely do support our right to free speech and debate and I also support safeguarding. Am I right in thinking this is a trans issue? It sounds like it. I don't personally eat flora but my some of my family like it, however I won't be buying it anymore.

Well no sock as that would be compelled... mumsnetting.

I avoid FWR some days as it simply gets too depressing.

I like FWR and think they do excellent work. I don't always agree with everything, but its totally absurd for people to say they are far right shills. They are just good old fashioned cunty feminists, more power to them.

Worth popping this here:

Curious...why don’t people like the FWR section?

I muted it a while ago because of the excessive number of trans threads. I acknowledge that yes, it is feminism, but I prefer to filter what I see on my Active so I can actually post.

@Alwaysgrey I don't like it because I find the people on there far too aggressive and radical. I also think that the threads move too quickly for me and I can't keep up.

Pinkyy It boils down to:

Do you support the freedom of speech and debate?

The freedom of women to discuss things in the world that impact them due to their biology and how gender stereotypes and patriarchal structures still affect their daily lives?

Do you support rigorous safeguarding for children?

If yes, stop eating flora.

If meh or no, keep eating flora and killing orangutans

@alwaysgrey
I suspect it's because women are expected to be kind and nice all the time and not have views about certain things that make people uncomfortable.

Lots of posters hide FWR so might not know what has happened

If someone has chosen to hide FWR, maybe they are not interested in what happened. Just a thought.

Curious...why don’t people like the FWR section?

I think you need to respond to this @MNHQ. I don't like to read the feminism board and I now don't know what's happened and whether or not I should be supporting this brand.

I expect its so they can say "look the t**fs are only on one part of the site, the mean old feminists"

It's their site, their rules.

I have noticed a few 'duplicates' being zapped recently (annoyingly including one on which I'd just added quite a long post). It's one of the several changes to moderating policy which seem to have come into effect in recent months.

I don't see any evidence this is targeted at any particular topics/posters, though I think it is a recent hange.

And there are times when the number of similar threads gets a bit ridiculous (thinking back to the death of Bob Holness)

I'm stunned at the number of people who hide the FWR topic! It's the main thing that keeps me here.

So ... what is the real reason for the deletion HQ?

Scold's bridle again. Mumsnet you disappoint me. Stop helping in the act of silencing females or is this site going back to being just about babies just like men's rights activists want because that's all we are good for supposedly.

Women who are being forthright and assertive are called vipers.

Women, know your limits.

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles it is a pit of vipers though. Sorry but it is.

I have no doubt that there are some valid points made, but as a rule they’re so overtaken by the amount of bile and vitriol on there that it’s not hard to see why it’s the most hidden topic on MN.

As for this thread which was deleted, can anyone shed any light on what it actually was about? Or perhaps start another thread? after all HQ haven’t responded to this one saying it’s TAAT yet have they? .

And yay to the only one thread per topic rule. Brexit ... mmm,

Posted on the FWR thread also:

1. General public would probably read the AIBU.

2 there was a discussion around trans men there which people were starting to explain some key issues to do with feminism.

1. Posters were saying they agree with flora and there was clear debate challenging those views as they clearly had no idea what is actually discussed on FWR.

1. Multiple posters were defending Mn.

Silly decision.

Are you fairly new to MN LangCleg?

Completely OT but I laughed out loud at this....

Crappy decision mnhq, you are clearly doing a mn version of a news blackout there.

Could you address this, please @MNHQ?

Can you clarify whether it is a new policy that - across the entire site - you only have one active thread on any topic at any time? Because certainly, only one Meghan Markle thread at any time would be great news.

Otherwise it looks as if you're simply trying to silence or at least curtail debate on one particularly contentious issue, an issue which, ironically, is very pertinent to the silencing of women and girls.