In response to 'to think some mumsnetters have a problem with blackwomen

This is the thread I created. It was removed because it was deemed to be a TAAT and descended into a bunfight.

Could I ask @MNHQ what then they're going to do to deal with micro-aggressions and dog-whistle racism on their boards?

Can we never have a sensible discussion about race without it being deleted? I had no intention of delving into the threads I'd referenced but used them as examples as a fantastic trait of racism-deniers is that they ask you for 'proof'.

How otherwise could I have gone about that thread being shouted down by the deniers and not raising actual points of reference in other threads which lead to me making that thread?

At a certain point it becomes frustrating and demoralising.

'Let's all pretend all the nice posters who do not like a certain sports star or royal genuinely only disagree about their style, it is nicer that way.'

Or, let's discuss issues like grown ups and accept that negative opinions do not always equal racism. When they do report and get them deleted?

Posters dont need to be 'nice' but they need to be sure comments are racist before they aggressively attack posters.

If Victoria Beckham said Harper was an icon i'd say exactly the same thing

BAME people in the public eye are disproportionately attacked on MN and held to higher standards. Anyone challenging that position is creating a bunfight and sooner or later the thread is deleted and racists comments along with it.

There are posters here who routinely post rascist dog whistling but so long as the whole thread is deleted they get to hide behind the general "bunfight" tag and claim its nothing to do with them. They then continue to bleat about "pure blood princesses" and the like with apparent impunity. I have mostly given up reporting them.

I am also very tired of any thread trying to raise this issue being deleted as a TAAT or a bunfight rather than admit there is a problem and address that.

I don't expect MN to be a racism free zone - society isn't. But the idea that it isn't a significant problem here is delusional. If its not a problem why do so many posters NC to start these threads?

Voicing an opinion isn't always racism.

While racism of course exists and mnhq delete comments that are either blatant or dog whistle racism, the fact is that just commenting negatively on a poc is not always racist based.

This was discussed earlier, Beyonce has declared her 7yr old DC to be an 'icon', that thread was deleted because it wasn't pleasant to comment negatively about a DC but calling a 7yr old an icon is incredibly unwise and actually quite disturbing. How is that racist? If Victoria Beckham said Harper was an icon i'd say exactly the same thing.

I won't waste my time as every single thread of this nature always ends the same way

(MNHQ belittling the discussion as a "bunfight" and closing it down!)

Given these threads always attract the bourgeois "I'm not racist" racists, I'm inclined to stay well away.

It is really infuriating to delete a thread that challenges racism as a "bunfight". Because grown women could not possibly have been seriously arguing against racism, ladies "bunfight".

The thread was not a TAAT at all. It was a thread about a million racist threads. But it was started by someone well known to challenge racism on MN. Someone who has real life experience of it, so must be hidden. Let's all pretend all the nice posters who do not like a certain sports star or royal genuinely only disagree about their style, it is nicer that way.

Easier to dismiss it as a bunfight, too.

Ironically i decided against posting on this thread this morning and I've just gone back to the original thread and lo and behold, it's gone.

So much good discussion is stifled because somebody takes offence or gets deliberately antagonistic. If I wanted to close down a thread it seems I could just come on with a friend or two and be racist or use the wrong pronouns and the thread would disappear.

I actually don't even know what the point is in commenting on anything aside from style and beauty, relationships (depending on the type of relationship problem..) and anything related to weddings or office politics (but not hair). Everything else is risks being deleted. So before posting anywhere - even here - I assume it'll be deleted and have MASSIVELY reduced the amount of time I'm on this site as well as my contributions.