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Mumsnet Data Breach - FAQs

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JustineMumsnet · 08/02/2019 11:49

As lots of the same queries re the data breach are reappearing we've made an FAQs page Do let us know if there's anything important we've left off. We'll keep updating this document as soon as we have further any further info. Thanks.

EDITED BY MNHQ AT 17.15 ON FEBRUARY 8: We're now as sure as we can be that the total number of accounts affected by this breach was 46. We will be contacting these users within the next hour or so.

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LynetteScavo · 10/02/2019 17:03

@JustineMumsnet Thank you also for your post at 15:43. That is the kind of clear, honest explanation posters need to hear.

HankNPat · 10/02/2019 17:01

MattFreis and Smotheroffive, my user name list is the same as yours. From the previous alphabetical order, it is now off the page with each name listed chronologically.

Similar to you I chop and change between NNs for specific subjects - or might revert to an older NN to reply to an 'old friend' in the name they know me - my list looks crazy now. But, basically it must be the spreadsheet on each time I change my NN.

Fortunately I haven't 'gained' any strange NNs, nor do I seem to have lost any of mine - AFAIK.

LynetteScavo · 10/02/2019 17:00

@JustineMumsnet Thank you got clarifying that.

SwedishEdith · 10/02/2019 16:43

I often get an email telling me that someone has mentioned me on a thread, but when I go there it isn't me. I thought it was a weird quirk but I am thinking it might not be now

Is it not that another user name is similar to yours and some people use a shortening that is your actual poster name - past or present? So if you were called 'poster' and someone else is called 'posterposter' anyone @ them as just 'poster' means you get the email.

Tavannach · 10/02/2019 16:41

User, not under.

Tavannach · 10/02/2019 16:40

And when I search posts by the name I have never used with a capital at the start, it takes me to posts by my most commonly used under name with no capital.

Tavannach · 10/02/2019 16:31

So I just had a look at my username history. It duplicates the name I most commonly use, but it also adds a name I have never used by adding a capital letter at the start.

Smotheroffive · 10/02/2019 15:58

Matt this definitely is an issue, my short list of name changes now goes off the page, with triplicates and quadruplicated....

JustineMumsnet · 10/02/2019 15:57

@LynetteScavo

Your previous usernames will no longer be associated with your email address once you deregister

@JustineMumsnet
@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet

Does this mean if I deregister my user names will be up for grabs?

Honestly, this is so crap, after 11 years I'm not sure I want to be registered any more. I need to know the answer to the above question. Sad

No it doesn't mean that Lynette - if you deregister no one can use your usernames. They remains in our system just not associated with any data.

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MattFreisWeatherReport · 10/02/2019 15:55

Woooah, and in the time it took me to type that, the list has changed again to reflect all of the changes (and changes back) I've ever made, with no duplication of the current one, and now listed in chronological order.

Like I say, not do or die, but people are naturally concerned that you're not aware of all the changes the software is (still) making. Can you shed any light?

MattFreisWeatherReport · 10/02/2019 15:51

@MNHQ You wrote the following in relation to the issue of current usernames being duplicated in users' lists:

If you have ever gone back to a nickname after using another nickname, it may appear twice in your list of usernames.

With respect, this is incorrect, at least for me. I've been back and forth between some of my nicknames, which I use for particular topics or forums, and then back to my regular one a number of times before moving on to a new one altogether, and so on. All of my previous names are listed once only in alphabetical order. My current one is additionally listed a second time, out of order.

This obviously isn't the most urgent issue, but it seems to affect a lot of people, and seems to date from the data breach or at least the software update that caused it, the reversal, or some other related action. The fact that you don't understand why it's happening may be more important than the thing itself. It would be good if someone could look into it, if only to restore confidence that you have a handle on what your software is doing.

Based on what you've said, mine isn't a breached account btw, and I'm using Firefox on a laptop PC. HTH.

LilyMumsnet · 10/02/2019 15:47

@BBInGinDrinking

Have I missed the answer to why password changes haven't been working, MNHQ? Change password, Settings says successfully, but then only the old password works to log in? I mentioned this a while ago on the data breach threads, and I see others have too.

Also, why isn't the Preview button working? Again, others have posted about this.

I have noticed too that threads I have read, which would previously have been highlighted as read, are now sometimes not.

And overnight I kept being repeatedly knocked off the site, (not logged out though), as if MN kept crashing or something. Odd.

Answers on a postcard - or a message in a Gin - to all that please? Wink

Hello!

We're doing our best to investigate the technical issues (sorry for the lack of answers thus far) - can you report your post to us so that we can take a look?

JustineMumsnet · 10/02/2019 15:43

[quote CoteDAzur]@JustineMumsnet Have you considered the possibility that someone in your IT team might be sabotaging the system from the inside?

The frequency and frankly shocking level of IT "mistakes" that have happened on here over the years makes me doubt the prevailing assumption that the incompetence of your technical staff is to blame, especially if you really have "12 full time developers" and spend "around £1m per annum on our Tech, product and data teams combined".[/quote]

Hi CoteD,
I'm completely sure no one is sabotaging us from the inside, yes. We have for sure had several nasty IT incidents over the last few years but I'd argue they are quite distinct and unrelated.

The first major issue was around the Heartbleed bug in a widely used piece of software. Many many organisations used this software and were vulnerable because of it - the difference was we went public and forced a password update while others kept schtum.

Then there was the "Jeffrey hack" - which included multiple denial of service attacks when our servers were swamped, a phishing attack to gain access to people's passwords as well as the swatting and bomb threat stuff. This was organised on a board frequented by misogynists who wanted to teach Mumsnet/Mumsnetters a lesson. Our firewall and internal systems definitely weren't as good as they could be (and led to us to invest more heavily in security for sure) but the point is we do tend to attract more than our "fair share" of attacks (we are subject to denial of service attacks most weeks) in my view because we're a female dominated platform.

Then there was the pro-trans intern who inadvertently copied a user IP address and published it when was she was highlighting what she felt were anti-trans voices on Mumsnet. Again our procedures weren't perfect and we've looked carefully at how to improve them but they were far from unusual and the ICO were satisfied that we hadn't been negligent here and no fine was imposed. Unlike many organisations we've never shied away from hosting controversial debates and contrary opinions - it would of course be much easier (and more profitable) to shut those conversations down as many others have done and we'd court far fewer angry responses but we believe passionately in free speech and the power of discourse to help people see other points of view.

This most recent incident was, without doubt, our technical error. We released code that had a flaw and we need to do better. What I would say is that concurrence is one of the things that is hardest to test for, which is why it didn't manifest in our systems testing, but there's no denying we messed up. We should have triple and quadruple checked the code for such an important service upgrade and not relied on testing to pick up a problem. We will most definitely learn from that.

It's also true that the Mumsnet platform isn't as good overall as it could be and we could have made some of these upgrades and invested a bit more in team and infrastructure a few years back when we started to turn a profit. That's my fault to be honest - I was a bit burned by all those early years of struggling to make any revenue from the site and seeing lots of other websites in our space overstretch themselves on costs and go under/ make layoffs - so in retrospect I was slower to invest than I should have been, which has meant quite a few niggles particularly when we've made any updates over the years. And I can only apologise to users for that.

We're absolutely committed to changing that going forward and to becoming a best in class community platform for our users but we're on a journey and it will take a bit of time.

I know this might all sound a bit defensive but I wanted to try to add a bit of an alternative perspective because, well, I think sometimes our tech team are a bit unfairly criticised. I'm not in any way though suggesting we haven't made errors which have understandably led to concern and for which I am very sorry.

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LilyMumsnet · 10/02/2019 15:42

@MrsSchadenfreude

I've managed to log back in via Safari, but can't do so using Google Chrome.

Hello, we're aware of an issue with chrome at the moment - we're doing our best to resolve it. Apologies for any inconvenience!

LynetteScavo · 10/02/2019 15:24

Your previous usernames will no longer be associated with your email address once you deregister

@JustineMumsnet
@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet

Does this mean if I deregister my user names will be up for grabs?

Honestly, this is so crap, after 11 years I'm not sure I want to be registered any more. I need to know the answer to the above question. Sad

HamaTime · 10/02/2019 14:57

I often get an email telling me that someone has mentioned me on a thread, but when I go there it isn't me. I thought it was a weird quirk but I am thinking it might not be now

Mine too

Also I haven't used this username for yonks

Can I have my account wiped from the face of the earth please? If I do decide to re-register I don't want a load of 'we already have a user with this email address' fuckaboutery

I also think your IT team are so crap that it is suspicious, and I'm used to crap IT. I work in the NHS

CoteDAzur · 10/02/2019 14:49

@JustineMumsnet Have you considered the possibility that someone in your IT team might be sabotaging the system from the inside?

The frequency and frankly shocking level of IT "mistakes" that have happened on here over the years makes me doubt the prevailing assumption that the incompetence of your technical staff is to blame, especially if you really have "12 full time developers" and spend "around £1m per annum on our Tech, product and data teams combined".

BBInGinDrinking · 10/02/2019 14:24

Just to add, because this is usually asked - on the mobile site, on an android phone.

BBInGinDrinking · 10/02/2019 14:14

Have I missed the answer to why password changes haven't been working, MNHQ? Change password, Settings says successfully, but then only the old password works to log in? I mentioned this a while ago on the data breach threads, and I see others have too.

Also, why isn't the Preview button working? Again, others have posted about this.

I have noticed too that threads I have read, which would previously have been highlighted as read, are now sometimes not.

And overnight I kept being repeatedly knocked off the site, (not logged out though), as if MN kept crashing or something. Odd.

Answers on a postcard - or a message in a Gin - to all that please? Wink

Smotheroffive · 10/02/2019 03:23

Right you need to explain yourself after your scaremongering! What did you find out exactly?! What did you do to find that out, that now isn't true?!

gettingtherequickly · 10/02/2019 02:50

I think I was mistaken, apologies.

gettingtherequickly · 10/02/2019 02:29

Just found out that if you search a username it brings up all previous usernames, so name changing is pointless.
Was this always the case?

Smotheroffive · 10/02/2019 02:22

There is a load more going on as a result than has been posted and talked about

Blueuggboots · 10/02/2019 01:29

it's lost me completely!! According to this, I haven't posted on anything since 2016??!!

Smotheroffive · 09/02/2019 22:37

Also tired of reading the same old questions that are answered in the OP!!!