“Racism” towards the Irish on here

WITHOUT TRIAL.

Of course most of the signatories to that proclamation were shot to death at Kilmainham gaol without trial.

Declaration of Independence 1916

Here is a copy of the document that on Easter Monday, 1916, proclaimed Ireland a republic and a sovereign independent state. It was signed on 24 April 1916 by the seven members of the Military Council who now called themselves 'The Provisional Government of the Irish Republic'. They were James Connolly, Padraig Pearse, Eamonn Ceannt, Joseph Plunkett, Thomas MacDonagh, Thomas Clarke, and Sean MacDiarmada.

The Proclamation of Poblacht na h-Éireann

The Provisional Government of the Irish Republic

To the People of Ireland

1916 Proclamation Irishmen and Irishwomen: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom. Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers, and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish republic as a sovereign independent state, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

The Irish republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent national government, representative of the whole people of Ireland, and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the republic in trust for the people. We place the cause of the Irish republic under the protection of the Most High God, whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline, and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.

Signed on behalf of the provisional government,

THOMAS J CLARKE, SEAN MACDIARMADA, THOMAS MACDONAGH, P H PEARSE, EAMONN CEANNT, JAMES CONNOLLY, JOSEPH PLUNKETT.

Don't worry about the English ignorance. Just correct them whenever they get it wrong. They're ever so polite so will apologise and acknowledge their ignorance

The 1916 Treaty of Ireland is one of the strongest and most relevant politic statements ever made. Every word in it has inclusion for every Irish person - female, male, and anything else.

That was composed by Irish Nationalists.

I read the thread yesterday and was dismayed by MNHQ response and again today I'm dismayed by their earlier response but neither time did I feel surprise or that it would be worth attempting to report any post as xenophobia towards Irish people is rife on here. I've also notice more recently (since Brexit maybe) northern Ireland people are also bearing the brunt of a lot of negative comments in regards to their situation and diversity.

Basically Yeats was jealous of her devoting all her time to Nationalism, so he had a little huff.

And I know Yeats wrote about hurling the little streets upon the great while he was dating the great nationalist Maud Gonne

No Second Troy
BY WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS
Why should I blame her that she filled my days
With misery, or that she would of late
Have taught to ignorant men most violent ways,
Or hurled the little streets upon the great,
Had they but courage equal to desire?
What could have made her peaceful with a mind
That nobleness made simple as a fire,
With beauty like a tightened bow, a kind
That is not natural in an age like this,
Being high and solitary and most stern?
Why, what could she have done, being what she is?
Was there another Troy for her to burn?

In any case, one of my favourite poems is by Seamus Heaney

Digging
BY SEAMUS HEANEY
Between my finger and my thumb

The squat pen rests; snug as a gun.

Under my window, a clean rasping sound

When the spade sinks into gravelly ground:

My father, digging. I look down

Till his straining rump among the flowerbeds

Bends low, comes up twenty years away

Stooping in rhythm through potato drills

Where he was digging.

The coarse boot nestled on the lug, the shaft

Against the inside knee was levered firmly.
He rooted out tall tops, buried the bright edge deep
To scatter new potatoes that we picked,
Loving their cool hardness in our hands.

By God, the old man could handle a spade.

Just like his old man.

My grandfather cut more turf in a day
Than any other man on Toner’s bog.
Once I carried him milk in a bottle
Corked sloppily with paper. He straightened up
To drink it, then fell to right away
Nicking and slicing neatly, heaving sods
Over his shoulder, going down and down
For the good turf. Digging.

The cold smell of potato mould, the squelch and slap
Of soggy peat, the curt cuts of an edge
Through living roots awaken in my head.
But I’ve no spade to follow men like them.

Between my finger and my thumb
The squat pen rests.
I’ll dig with it.

Because I'm pretty sure it's down the road from my home in Ireland.

Where is Goldsmith's house in England?

Y'know, because they were well spoken and educated.

beanaseireann The poster was questioning if famous Irish writers like Oscar Wilde should really be considered Irish because they were more 'culturally' British, apparently.

What was the thread that was deleted?
What section of Mumsnet was it on ?

Very funny @SheBangsit

Was just listening to the Blindboy podcast and he said "how many bombs did there need to be for the British to understand what Northern Ireland is".

Particularly love:
Irish Stereotypes? The stupid Englishman. He switched it from it being about Irish to being about English.
And then:
We didn't vote to leave Europe

Lol

As for the end bit where the African guy wins a trip back to Africa.....

I think this thread is the perfect place for this genius from Tommy Tiernan on Brexit

JaneJeffer - you mean like most British people? I have Irish cousins in England and all of their hubbies seem to make paddy jokes etc. They all voted for the March shitshow too. If this was an Irish site we would be dramatically LAUGHING OUT LOUDER THAN LOUD about the decision of brexit. But we are not big enough to have a huge sounding board and we are not unintelligent enough to think brexit was ever a good idea. Can we have loads of threads started about how the Irish MOCK the brits for their decision to leave the EU? If we can then racism and bias is fair game cos if some fucker is going to goad my Irish country then I am certainly going to goad their brexit stupidity.

I'm not proud of my ignorance - abbs the problem is that a lot of people are. The Irish posters try to explain why what they're saying is wrong and instead of using the information to educate themselves they just refuse to believe it!

Not quite so booming right now in the wake of the primark fire. City centre shops really struggling. If you happen to come across any posts from city centre stores on FB please share them on, they really need the trade.

Have reported the response from this morning, it really is unbelievable that MNHQ consider that to be an appropriate response. Doesn't address the issue at all and makes clear they have no intention of tackling this particular flavour of rasicm.