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“Racism” towards the Irish on here

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Giantbanger · 30/10/2018 10:09

Can we please talk about it and can you please get your mods some training.

There was a thread that stood from yesterday. The op was goady and people were reporting the fuck out of it from yesterday.

It went this morning because the op was previously banned for being goady. No surprises there then.

But it contained a post from a member of MNHQ that really bothered me and I would like to discuss.

Add message | Report | Message poster EstherMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 29-Oct-18 19:43:38
Hello!
Thanks for all the reports on this one. We'd like to leave this up as it's a pretty interesting discussion - one for the colonial/post colonial literature experts perhaps (yes - we know there's an argument over whether Irish literature counts as such!) - so please keep to the spirit of the site when discussing this and make your points politely. Thanks

So if there’s a “racist” thread about the Irish, it is an interesting discussion and the Irish need to be polite when telling racists they are racists.

(And Yes. I know in the dictionary definition Irish isn’t a race. It’s a subset ethnicity of Caucasian but the term is used more broadly in general use than the dictionary definition.)

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Giantbanger · 02/11/2018 12:06

I’ve had a reply this morning to say they are going through all my reports now (have been reporting the fuck out of minimising racist stuff) and now I feel guilty for reporting.

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AndSheWas85 · 02/11/2018 12:01

I will be said to leave Mumsnet but

“Racism” towards the Irish on here
“Racism” towards the Irish on here
“Racism” towards the Irish on here
Raydan · 02/11/2018 11:55

“It's not our policy to delete swearwords (we're all adults, after all) but we do draw the line at obscenity, racist, ageist, disablist, homophobic or transphobic language, and wording that is truly beyond the pale.”

It is outrageous that the talk guidelines themselves contain derogatory language. I actually LOLd at how clueless it is!

Raydan · 02/11/2018 11:50

@Littlegreyauditor I said the same - accountants to the bone!

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Giantbanger · 02/11/2018 11:33

I really don’t want to have to go to the equality commission. Or twitter.

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CraicMammy · 02/11/2018 11:07

Alternatively, does someone fancy giving the Equality Commission a call? I would but I’m already on a crusade re M&S’s PornnStar Martini

StoorieHoose · 02/11/2018 10:49

This is awful that you have been left without answers from MNHQ. Maybe you do need to take a leaf out of the trans activists playbook and get it all over Twitter. After all that’s how they got MN to follow their demands

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Giantbanger · 02/11/2018 10:39

I’ve had nothing to my reports either.

I don’t understand what we have to do to be heard.

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CraicMammy · 02/11/2018 10:38

They’ve not even acknowledged my self-report.

You can’t be deleted if you don’t exist I guess...

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 09:46

And there’s yet another thread this morning where it’s subtle but there. I’ve reported but I’m so disheartened.

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 09:28

They’ve definitely tried to gloss over. The answer here from Michael is a non answer.

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CherryBlossom23 · 02/11/2018 09:20

MN don't give a shit how offended us Irish users get, that much is obvious. They're probably incredulous we're making a fuss in the first place and are trying to find the best way to minimise and gloss over this whole thing.

I'm gobsmacked about that wording in their guidelines, I had no idea people still used beyond the pale as a serious term and not just taking the piss poorly.

Littlegreyauditor · 02/11/2018 09:12

I don’t think we are worth enough money to MNHQ, nor are we enough of a risk of outrage in the media. We are a small country, with a smaller population than the West Midlands. As such we are fair game.

nakedscientist · 02/11/2018 09:06

This is what Wikipedia says

"The Pale, a demarcation line in Ireland while under English dominion; a usage associated with the phrase "beyond the pale", meaning unacceptable behaviour."

CraicMammy · 02/11/2018 08:57

Bump☘️

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 08:56

I’m totally scunnered to be honest. I’m hanging on to see the answer and I’m keeping bumping and reporting but it’s just getting to the rude stage now that we haven’t had even any kind of decent engagement on this.

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nakedscientist · 02/11/2018 08:54

The fury is rising.

I am begining to think that I can't use MN anymore. Everyone falls overthemselves to be PC about everyone else, but the Irish don't count? AS USUAL

This could go mental on the Twittersphere. If I do this I will have to let go of MN though.......

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 08:32

I started this thread on Tuesday morning. We haven’t really had a decent answer and it’s clearly not a priority. It’s friday. We haven’t had an answer.

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 08:28

I’ve reported again to see if we can get any answer. But I have to be honest I’m not very hopeful.

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 08:10

I’m really dispirited and tired this morning. Drained. I can’t really understand why it’s tsking so long to get some kind of answer and dialogue. It feels minimising of our concerns.

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CraicMammy · 02/11/2018 08:04

They’ll have to change the name of ‘Craicnet’ to ‘within The Pale net’.

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 08:01

I have a Mc surname. I’m doubly beyond the pale i guess. I’m a total outsider I’ll never be let in. Never be welcome here.

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CraicMammy · 02/11/2018 08:00

I really didn’t expect to be having an existential crisis on Mumsnet when I woke this morning!

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giantbanger · 02/11/2018 08:00

My first name is Gaelic.

Guess I’m Beyond the Pale too.

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CraicMammy · 02/11/2018 07:57

I have reported myself as beyond the pale.

Here’s what I’ve said:

^Your talk guidelines state that you will delete posts which are “beyond the pale”.

My surname is [~~~~~], derived from the Gaelic ‘of [~~~~] ’ an area of Ireland beyond The Pale.

I find the use of ‘beyond the pale’ in your talk guidelines hugely offensive. It is an outdated phrase, which is racist at its heart, and tells me I am not welcome on Mumsnet.^