Mumsnet moderation - response to yesterday's feedback

Thank Frankie person, did you see? Even making TRA look bad but it was very offensive stuff so I'm glad they've gone.

MN were unbelievably quick this morning. Reported, deleted and banned for goadiness in under an hour. I was very impressed.

Pratchet Welcome back. I changed my name for a few hours too after outing myself a little bit in another place but decided to go back.

I'm sure we can find ways to tell people to go fuck themselves when necessary without getting suppressed. And reporting the really vile tweeters on Twitter does work, albeit slowly and probably only temporarily.

Hello Scarlet. I'm back. I was cross so I did that. There was a lot of gloating around from TRA, so I did a childish thing, because we can't express our anger by telling people to go fuck themselves any more. I really would if I could.

Mimmymam is a bit like a name I've come across on Twitter. But I have a feeling the posts from this version of the name will be rather more to my taste.

Thank you! And I won't get confused with Terry any more!

Great new name!!

Hello it's Pratchet. I've changed my name.

MnerXX

Yes, I wonder how many members of Mumsnet will be aware of it here & the points raised in the thread.

Those stats re sexual assaults on psychiatric wards are horrifying. I wonder what the equivalent stats are like for female prisons??

GoldenBuns and PsychoLibrarian - brilliant posts. Thank you.

That’s true but that’s where it was to start off with and it’s not pinned there now. That’s how I found it

It is telling that this thread was originally pinned to the top of the feminist chat section but it is only accessible via active and it’s topic.

The issues raised are not specific to feminists, 'so called feminists' or middle-aged, middle-classed white women. They affect everyone in society.

Stands to applaud PsychoLibrarian.

Me too.

"Dr Paul Lelliott of CareQualityComm says "900 sexual incidents, including assault and harassment, recorded on mental health wards in just three months.

FUCKING HELL!

I am currently in hospital I asked the women on my ward how they would feel about mixed wards. The response was vehement and unanimous. Everyone was hotly opposed.

Fairplay for Women are attempting to find out the effects of gender self-id on single sex wards:
Dr Nicola Williams comments on the thread below:
"Dr Paul Lelliott of @CareQualityComm says "900 sexual incidents, including assault and harassment, recorded on mental health wards in just three months. Some of the incidents have taken place on same sex wards
They have refused FOI requests to tell us more."

www.cqc.org.uk/news/stories/sexual-safety-mental-health-wards

Penny Mordant really needs as priority to ask her colleagues Jeremy Hunt and Jackie Doyle-Price MP,
The Parliamentary Under Secretary of State (Mental Health and Inequalities) to look into this thread please:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297578-NHS-confuse-sex-and-gender-on-advice-about-The-Mental-Health-Act

Good plan . We could just keep it bumping around to raise awareness of the lack of response from MNHQ on a topic they created and the lack of response with regards to the valid concerns raised here.

We are not going away. Have they not learned that yet? We’re stubborn as fuck.

It is telling that this thread was originally pinned to the top of the feminist chat section but it is only accessible via active and it’s topic.

Isn’t it?

But it’s maybe bringing the conversation to a whole bunch of people who wouldn’t normally go near Feminist Chat. 😀

It is telling that this thread was originally pinned to the top of the feminist chat section but it is only accessible via active and it’s topic.

The thread has obviously not gone down as intended and they’re just hoping to drop it off the radar.

Stands to applaud PsychoLibrarian.

If you're just skimming this thread, you really should read this comment, @JustineMumsnet.

Nah, psycho, it’ll be the banhammer that gets you, speaking those kind of off-message truths, not crucifixion.

Well said PsychoLibrarian.

So, the wealthy owner of a website who has made a great deal of money out of the women who use it is patronising and dismissive of those users? Score one for an inflated sense of entitlement and privilege.

So, the wealthy owner of a website whose users are predominantly women has a meeting with the minister in government running the consultation on whether to erase women as a sex class to pander to men? Score two for the sense of entitlement and privilege, with an extra sprinkling of the abuse of power. A corporate boss does not represent their customers or service users, they represent their corporate interests.

I am a working class woman, on a low income, who has raised an autistic son as a lone parent. I was brought up to be nice, deferential and to shut up and know my place. The conditioning did not take. I don't do nice. I defer to nobody. I will not move quiet. And I know my place - it is standing my ground and calling out the mealy-mouthed, over-privileged people who have the arrogance to presume that they know better than everyone else and to claim to speak for them.

Justine, you do not speak for me. I find your behaviour objectionable and the position you have expressed here distasteful.

I am a woman, an adult human female. I will not lie and say a man is a woman, because I know that it is impossible to change sex. Justine, you can collude in making a law built on lies if you like. It will alter nothing. I will still not lie. And I will know that you were a collaborator in the erasure of sex-based protections for women because you think your privilege will protect you from most of the consequences, and those without privilege don't matter to you except as advertising fodder to make you money.

I will say it again. The management of Mumsnet does not speak for me. I am Spartacus - what are you going to do, crucify me?

I have successfully blocked the move of convicted sex offenders (or just vulnerable inmates) self ID-ing to female estates. I've also lost in cases of trans prisoners exhibiting explicit sexually provocative behaviour and being moved and later claiming their behaviour was evidence of their abuse in male prisons.

This is terrifying. How about we just admit that sex change is impossible and segregate by sex as intended?

Is my opinion some of the 'transphobia' on mumsnet?

As for objecting to a chat site having obligations - this site is largely user-generated content and it's usp is that it is mainly women talking. Becoming politicised is a bi-product of women talking in a world of systemic discrimination - women start to join the dots - it's a threat to the divide and conquer tactics of male supremacy. Misogynists and antifeminists will come. They will threaten. They will try to close it down. It is inevitable. Mumsnet are on a knife-edge - let women speak - which is the reason for its success or buckle to the misogynists and die a death.

It's not pleasant for MNHQ it's not pleasant for the users and the wider context isn't pleasant for women and girls.