Ban posters, leave threads

I wondered where that thread went!!

I agree (as always) with datun and bowls last few posts (and most of the other posters to be fair)

This forum has some goady mother fucking cunts on it...and everyone knows who they are

They are able to derail and goad with impunity and are causing threads to be shut diwn

And then you get very hard of thinking people assuming that posts and threads are being deleted as they are beyond the pale!!

MNHQ have been very helpful when i have reported and I absolutely appreciate in certain cases that their hands are tied

But closing threads and deleting when appropriate would be much more transparent

Yeah. It is targeted MNHQ.

This is a deliberate strategy to probe individual weaknesses and elicit a reaction to get regulars banned. If you look back through the threads you can see it - a concept will be floated, they note who reacts and then they target them by replying directly to them and pressing the point.
It’s very unpleasant to see.

What Bowl said. Infertility seems to be this week's way of winding up posters.

The new roles appear to have welcomed in goady posters who simply want to get existing posters irritated, upset and ultimately banned for reacting.

That thread culminated (or had at the point I had to go to the supermarket and do some real life mundanity...) in the OP stating that they, as a transwoman, were entirely equivalent to a natal woman suffering from infertility. Tiny, tiny bit off, that, in my book. And I imagine in the books of women who suffer from infertility. It’s also, (how odd..) a concept that has been introduced here multiple times this week. It’s designed to goad women into reaction.

The entire thread was goady from the off. Plenty of posters were engaging in a calm way. I do, because I can be calm and I think it’s beneficial for lurkers to see that. Deleting the thread is a reset button for the troll, in some senses. It gives them an out (although hopefully MNHQ are using such incidences as one strike..)

What id like to know MNHQ is if you’re going to get some coercive control training for the mods. Because I do not envy you having to wade through all this and I agree with others that the pattern of posting is what’s important here.

What I’m seeing as a pattern of posting over the last few weeks is a combination of tag teaming and specific biological/paraphilic issues being brought up over multiple threads. Really goady stuff, often with shock/visual shock value.
Poster brings up/plonks down some controversial concept/image and lo and behold! a few other posters pop up to say why! Look! Yes I believe/am a living example of that very thing! Posters we’ve never seen on here before obvs... so...

...Coercive control training. And probably a bucketload of gin because by god I’m glad I don’t have to moderate all this.

Courage, mon braves and to those upset by that thread, it was breathtakingly insensitive

What they said.

I agree with Datun

Agree with Datun. Threads need to be visible but locked. When threads are deleted GFs can easily claim that MN is a hotbed of nasty discriminatory women but if people can read them they can make up their own minds about the many false allegations made against us.

I agree with Datun.

That thread was...enlightening. it should've stayed.

On reflection, I am not sure about the thread deletion.

I am, however, in favour of banning goady posters.

They have got your number @MNHQ. Please stop spinning your wheels and take remedial action.

If someone posts something thats offensive and it is upsetting people it should be deleted as keeping it there is only going to offend and upset more people and why would we want to give the troll that extra power?

I agree with Datun.
You're being played MNHQ.

Unless the post is incredibly offensive, then I'd agree that it should remain visible otherwise the meaning in a thread is lost.
Perhaps a compromise might be to close a thread and then delete it after 30 days? So it can stand as an example briefly but not be kept indefinitely.

I agree with Datun too. Particularly about the intersex thread.

I agree with Datun.

Ok, but we are talking about moderated threads.

If your post is goady or breaches the rules - you don’t get to leave your post there for all eternity.

Mumsnet do no proactively moderate so they depend on people reporting.
If no one reports it the post stays.

Oops posted too quickly!

Meant to say - the rationale that leaving GF threads up shows the trolls how it's done is faulty thinking imo. What it does is give actual examples of a wind-up thread, so people become more aware of what a bad thread looks like. It's an education.

I've noticed people are often getting good at not rising to the bait, even when the poster is a caste-iron wind-up merchant. In fact I'm amazed at how tolerant people are at times, not always, but more than they used to be on here. People are starting to know the rules of the game on MN. Still Work In Progress at times!

No, of course it needs to be deleted. MN is about its content.

If your post is goady or breaches the rules - you don’t get to leave your post there for all eternity.

Why do you need to point to threads? Report post, MN will moderate, end of.

It'll never happen. The minute the GF is "found out", it's quick let's get rid of the nasty mess off the site.

I agree with locking threads.

The purpose of reporting posts is to flag posts which shouldn't be here. Simply locking them rather than deleting them is nonsensical - if locking was sufficient a post wouldn't need reporting in the first place.

@snappity isn't keen on biological reality, so would probably rather those threads disappeared. Also, TRAs obviously don't want evidence of their deliberate goadiness left 'laying around' for others to see.