Mumsnet encouraging brigading by Twitter TRAs

Yes, @MNHQ are capitulating to a bunch of abusive liars whose main aim is to shut the whole forum down.

I'd like them to either state their reasons for doing so or to just stop it.

If they do neither then I'm done here.

Not because they find anything particularly offensive, but because they want HQ to snap and say 'fuck it, this isn't worth it'.

Exactly. Which is why I truly don't understand why MN have done this 'reporting via twitter' thing?

There are thousands, literally thousands of other places that these people could screenshot transphobia from, and Im talking about the type of transphobia that is not 'ambiguous' or 'a matter of opinion' in any way.

But these people have got their teeth into MN now. They can see that they have a big chance at silencing women, a chance they have wanted for ages. They are going to be like a dog with a bone.

Hopefully, there will be a good bit of discussion about it with HQ tomorrow when they have had a talk about all of this.

And I personally have stopped giving a shite what twats on twitter are laughing at - I only really care about what we are allowed to speak about on MN.

There's only one way to win and that's to keep the discussion going here.

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They are lying about the moderation too. This is what they posted abput the Shon thread. Taken from another thread in March. And they called victory

And they will keep calling it until total capitulation.

Twitter users will be laughing their socks off tonight. Mumsnet can't moderate it's own forums. It's all over Twitter now, like a snowball, more and more TRA getting ready to bombard your Twitter account. That's appeasement for you.

We're happy to have posts which might break our TGs pointed out over on Twitter or here - we'll take a look at them and use the same judgement in considering whether they break TGs wherever they're reported and whoever they're reported by.

No other forum anywhere does this.

Can you explain why you think this is a positive thing? Can you explain why you have suddenly ceased to care about MN as a community and have instead reduced us to a series of posts to be either monetised or thrown to the twitter wolves as convenient?

We're loyal but we're not stupid. We can see that something different is going on. We can see that it's not good for us, or for the gender debate in its widest sense. We'll put up with a fairly large amount of shite in order to have this debate but each of us has our limits.

But I don't agree that it is as a result of us looking at posts that are drawn to our attention on Twitter, or that we've done a general callout to Twitter asking for complaints about Mumsnet users.

The links in the OP clearly show you are inviting randoms on twitter to involve themselves in moderating the MN community. Engaging with the MN transphobia account in the way that you have is totally doing a 'general callout to Twitter asking for complaints about Mumsnet users'.

What else did you think would result from that?

And look, I'm sorry to be so negative and I know HQ are under a lot of pressure, but every new announcement that comes just ramps up the tension and it really looks like there's nobody internally who has any idea how to deal with this mess. So why not hire someone?

Yep. Some of those people are basically full time trolls. It's like the cliche about vampires - don't invite them in!

I agree AAK - There are quite a few people on twitter who are seriously and hatefully obsessed with MN at the moment. They will literally sit and @ HQ all day long.

Not because they find anything particularly offensive, but because they want HQ to snap and say 'fuck it, this isn't worth it'.

And to Mumsnet's credit, most sites would have done that a long time ago.

This isn't good.

This is disgraceful, beyond disgraceful! Allowing members (men and TRA) on Twitter to report posts on a completely different platform. How the hell do you see this working out well?

Do you really not have the ability to moderate your own forums without asking Twitter to do it for you?

Mumsnet - laughing stock of the internet.

I'd think that allowing reports via Twitter would massively increase the workload for whoever is responsible for looking into reports.

Is this even workable?

I remember it being said that a fair chunk of moderation already goes to FWR's board - This is going to make so much more, unnecessary (IMO) work.

Things already feel tense here. I really hope this doesn't push HQ over the edge.

MNHQ - In regards to misgendering - If there was a discussion about an individual would referencing the fact that the person used to be male be a deletable offense?

Even if it were totally relelvent to the conversation and the poster didn't use 'he' pronouns?

Blind or willing to throw a few particularly mouthy users to the wolves in order to save the company's reputation? I hate to be thinking that, but it would make more sense than a social media company suddenly not understanding how social media works.

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I just went to look at those bios too.

Women don't want to open up protected spaces to individuals who might fetishise womanhood and you are colluding with self confessed fetish loving individuals to shut women up about this.

Everything AAK said is spot on.

Over the last 3 weeks MNHQ have been appearing completely blind to the climate for women online. It is quite baffling.

When F 4J were setting fire to their pants outside M&S and writing on children, MNHQ didn't indulge their BS.

When Jeffrey hacked the site and leaked data on loads of MNers, MNHQ took the threat seriously. Also we were allowed to mercilessly rip the piss out of Jeffrey without deletion.

The difference between then and now is stark.

It must be hard for Mumsnet but why can't they see what is happening. These people are not the rational debating sort and they hate actual women. They frequently threaten violence and make such a fuss about harmless words that debate is impossible. They are all about scoring points and many seem extremely unintelligent or borderline sociopaths.

So it's a thing now to report a post on one sm site via another sm site? That's disgraceful.

Wait, didn't MNHQ post recently about making less work for them by not reporting?

I have to say I think that a 'reporting via Twitter' policy is absolutely ridiculous. If people want to report, they need to sign up to MN and go through the normal channels that we all have to.

You have basically invited a load of TRAs to pile on and shut us all up.

And no, the user in question was not contacted via Mumsnet PM, it was via Twitter. I'm sure MNHQ will say that it was thus her own fault for engaging on Twitter at all, but guess what? By setting up that "feel free to report users for transphobia here" system you just painted a target on the backs of your own users and emboldened the people who were already itching for an opportunity to lash out at them. India Willoughby has been encouraging followers to report users to "help" Mumsnet with rooting out transphobia. You have played right into the hands of the people who are trying to shut both you and the discussion down.

There is a bigger picture here that nobody at MNHQ seems to be seeing. You're a profitable business, can you not hire a social media strategist who has some experience specifically relating to women's online safety?