Mumsnet encouraging brigading by Twitter TRAs

Where have @MNHQ gone? There's been no comment since Kate early last night. The silence is eerie...

@MNHQ a good start to inconveniencing TRAs who join to make a comment then report it would be to show how long people have been a member, both before and after the comment (to make it harder to hide when screenshotting). It won't be perfect and some people who deleted after EH will get caught up in that but it would be a start.

And shut down Twitter reporting. Put a form on your front page if you must but don't make women targets like this.

Rollcall?

Yes, Katherine, I don't know who though. I can't even remember which thread - one of the ones on FWR - but I read a long term poster was permanently banned yesterday.

Really Anita? Has anyone been banned?

I’m not in Twitter, no intention of joining, I don’t have the time for another forum. It bugs the piss out of me that an entirely separate platform is involved in the moderation on here.

Are the threads being deleted and bans handed out at least being attributed to Twitter complaints so there’s at least some transparency for those of us who can’t be fucked getting involved in all this bullshit? And bullshit it is MHNQ

TRAs are on twitter telling MNHQ that deletion simply isn't good enough for the rebellious women here - they are demanding bans. And from the sounds of it, having some success.

MNHQ - since when did you allow yourself to be bullied like this?

Shon is now 'pregnancy shaming' women who dare to call out and telling them to take up 'basket weaving or yoga'.

Yes, I saw that last night. I presume that someone of Shon's education and privilege is aware that the terms "basket weaving" and "basket weaver" are traditionally used as disablist insults and to insult people with mental health issues.

But god forbid anyone use a different pronoun than the one Shon recognizes.

Fuckwit sounds good Angry. Especially since my favourite “cockwomble” is out for obvious reasons.

You can make people lie but you can't make them believe the lie.

I agree Empress.

I think it basically comes down to the fact that TRA’s are trying to convince the world and his wife that we are a sub-section of “woman” instead of them being a sub-section of “man”.

Their “allies” May be willing to accept that but I personally am not.

What about fuckwit? That's a nice gender neutral swear, right?

I agree that the TRAs are never going to be satisfied. They hate us, quite simply, because we won't roll over and fulfil the servile, "cs" identity they want to impose on us. We've seen that their "cs allies" are essentially expected to protect and serve them, and that's what they're trying to impose on HQ now.

Justine made an incredibly brave stand. Please let that mean something.

Oh - and that deletion will make everyone think I said something transphobic about SF - which I didn't.

I had a post deleted on the Shon Faye thread. I wrote the exact words
"What a twatbadger". No more, no less.

Now Mnetters of old will know the long, long history of calling people in the public eye this. Twatbadger is MN favourite.

I did not misgender - I used a word that has been used to describe Jamie Oliver, Tony Blair, Nick Griffin, Owen Jones - and countless others. All still stand on this site.

So Shon Faye is special - despite being an outspoken journalist, in the public eye - with immense amounts of privilege (privately educated etc) and an immense public platform - SF is beyond criticism.

The pedophilia thread was a perfect example of why making trans issues a special case absolutely will not work.

We cannot have special cases for "transphobia" on here. Making it a special case is what has led to this situation. Trans people should be treated no differently to women. That's precisely what they say that they want for goodness sake.

For example, if we cannot talk about how a trans person in the public eye looks then we cannot talk about how anybody in the public eye looks. Kate Middleton, Jamie Oliver, anyone.

This has to be standard across all boards with rules evenly applied.

Otherwise, to just delete stuff based on the TRAs' say-so (without them even bothering to sign up to Mumsnet) effectively puts them in charge of your content.

Truscum above is transgender and is telling you that you've got it wrong.

Maybe make a couple of transgender people on here honorary moderators for a bit (Truscum and Debbie?). And of course you'd also need two women moderators also who have been here donkeys years also. Because we're not making special cases any more, right?

After the intern incident and now this I feel like MNHQ are signalling their position on this.
And it's not with free speech for women on FWR, despite what Justine said.
Actions Vs words.

You perma-banned a much loved regular poster after they posted something you didn't like on a different forum.

Oh yes I'd quite forgotten that

This policing of comments on other forums is a bit weird

Did anyone think that through or was it one of those awesome brainstorming ideas that don't work in real life

for the tightrope walkers at MNHQ, i think you're gonna need it

(Points up) Are you OK with seeing women feel like that, MNHQ? Isn't that a pretty clear indication that making the hunting easier by allowing TRAs to paint a big target on each person virtual arse on Twitter is a terrible idea?

This is fucking outrageous. Just that.

If MNHQ allow this we might as well start wearing a TERF target on our clothes. How far are you willing to go in this MNHQ?!

Your members are on the whole a bunch of well educated women with very valid arguments as to why we need this space to discuss the attack on womanhood in general by a load of bully boys who feel that wearing pink is very much a real characteristic of being a woman and we should therefore call them Shirley instead of Seamus.

By the way, I firmly believe I was born in the wrong household. I have the brain of a Royal and therefore am one. I will report any old fucker who refuses to refer to me as Princess Consuela Banana Hammock. I am knocking on the doors of Buck House this PM to demand entry and residence since, well you know, I think I am a Royal and therefore I am one.

Fuck this shit.

@MNHQ: you were incredibly foolish to invite a Twitter mob to monitor your posters

This is a site that is aimed primarily at women
You should not invite an online army of aggressive men to censor them, to publicly hound individual MN posters

In protecting your bottom line, do not sacrifice the wellbeing of women

Making concessions to men who bully women, just encourages them to bully even more

Don't leave me behind if you find somewhere else. We're like hunted creatures aren't we? This is what male violence does to women - if organisations and political parties collude with it.

Thanks, Angry.

Let's just hope it isn't necessary to relocate.

For everyone asking about the other possible space, not sure if it's OK to link to another site directly here, so, a link can be found on page 3 of these comments.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3238869-Hi-Mumsnet-if-you-are-asking-feminist-women-to-consider-whether-Mumsnet-is-for-them-please-be-clear-that-the-space-we-made-here-is-for-all-of-us?pg=3