Mumsnet encouraging brigading by Twitter TRAs

It's semi explained on another thread (SF one in FWR)

The person (suspected to be someone quite well known in the pro trans twitter echo chamber) who set it up locked themselves out of one twitter account, set up another and then that got deleted - perhaps a mix up if they'd asked the first one to be deleted? Unknown tbh but all round there's been a bit of a cluster fuck.

nope, says it doesn't exist

Can anyone see the 'mumsnetreport' twitter feed - it says it has gone. I was blocked but can't find it now.

It's relevant though.

Once that's started, are we going to see them going after gender neutral language for MN's campaigns?

"I believe them" or "I believe zie" doesn't quite have the same ring does it?

Given that men in general are believed and it's women who are not believed in our culture.

When are you going to believe us, Mumsnet? When are you going to accept that we know what we're talking about, that we've been in this movie before you and we know these transactivists will never let up on their persecution of you and the only way you can possibly deal with them, is to give them a big fat fuck off and let them know you don't give a flying fuck about their displeasure that you've failed to obey them? There's no point pandering to them, it's a waste of your time, energy and self-respect.

Nothing will ever be enough for them. You'll have to give them moderating powers before they'll be satisfied. And possibly a share in the business. And a few blow jobs as well, figuratively speaking. Or possibly even literally, who knows, lots of them seem to tweet feverishly about getting TERFS to suck their lady-dicks, presumably to punish us for our disagreement.

That sounds nice and womanly, doesn't it. Just how women always sort our their disagreements, telling each other to carry out sexual acts associated with female submission and male domination. Very laydeelike. What was it you wanted, civil and respectful debate? Good luck with that.

Doh, wrong thread sorry. That was meant for another thread.

This is a thread from a male forum about one of Shon's fellow transwomen, Lily Madigan.

One the first page alone Lily is called a t*y, a t*n, and a fg.

The fact none of the transactivists ever go after these male forums yet target and harass women concerned about losing ground over hard won rights says everything we need to know about what constitutes 'transphobia' for them.

They don't care about name calling, they care about non compliant women saying no to them.

kiwifarms.net/threads/liam-madigan-lily-tess-madigan.37134/

PlectrumElectrum - I’m also thinking of finding an alternative home. What made MN unique is quickly being eroded and the way it’s going at the moment it will become a cookie cutter parenting forum/site where threads are modified to the hilt in fear of insulting someone (my god, I’ve been insulted a tonne of times on here!). And who have fucking done it? Men. Oh the irony of men taking down Mumsnet.

I’d like to know what a civil debate consist of when it comes to trans issues. Because it seems to me that TRAs are dictating to MNHQ what it is at the moment.

it looks like the Emma/Hannah's of MN towers are in the ascendence.

And I find it galling to be patronised or see other knowledgeable, highly experienced women patronised by people who are still wet behind the ears.

I would like to see the follow-through of the 'mum-terns' or whatever the phrase was that @JustineMumsnet used.

I have learned more from those more experienced/knowledgeable women than me, than I have through any other education in my life and I think these youngsters should show a bit more damned respect for the calibre of the users of MN .

There's definitely a shift in tone from mods - I'm sensing a bit of a 'culture battle' going on atm and it looks like the Emma/Hannah's of MN towers are in the ascendence. Which is a pity as the humour from the mods has usually been refreshing and appreciated. I think I'm done too. 12/13 years I've lasted and the thing that made this place different was the wit, humour, passion & compassion of the women who collectively made this place sooooo addictive. When thats getting zapped in the name of 'transphobia' it looses its appeal.

Not sure I can go cold turkey but I think I might finally cure myself of MN addiction if it's acceptable to silence women who speak wittily the truth.

In the screenshotted tweet above, Travis appears to be using the same tone in which Travis ordered TopShop to allow Travis into their women's changing rooms. This comes across as somewhat rude and demanding.

Even with that open invitation and the account that TRAs have set up for reporting, there are a tiny number of posts they’ve managed to track down.

Hardly the “pages and pages” they complained about. Certainly not “the whole site” as they also tried to claim.

I think this is actually showing them up for the lying prima donnas that they are.

"by parents for parents"

Not looking like it from here.

I think i'm done, finally after 13 years of being here under various guises... i'm fucking done.

ooh what did Shon do? someone pm me if its triggering or literally violent and repeating it will cause deletion and supression.

Shon reminds me of a real bitchy queen (his preferred self id before anyone gets triggered) I used to go clubbing with back in the day. Said some really outrageous and horrible stuff, none of which was recorded on social media luckily for him. Turned into quite a nice man really once he grew up a bit and got all the "look at me im the first person to sleep around" thing.

The quote that tweet is based on isn't from Voltaire however Shon might be interested in Voltaire's quote that "those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities".

transwomen are men

Is Shon hoist by Shon's own petard? Shame, that.

Shon tweeted that because Shon knows that after Shon's despicable behaviour last night that the press (and other interested parties) are having a very good look at Shon's output.

This makes Shon concerned that despite Shon locking Shon's account last night to do a midnight Fred the Shred , many of Shon's tweets have been screenshotted. Shon wants to give the impression that Shon is not an incel-like reactionary misogynist but all caring and freespeechy.

I am not sure this will work out well for Shon.

@KateMumsnet

I know you are looking at more detailed guidelines around the trans discussion so I wanted to make a couple of points about this.

It's a fairly common and mainstream position to say that a debate about trans issues must be civil and respectful and that means that it must start off from the perspective that "transwomen are women". Trans activists (including Shon Faye) commonly refuse to participate in discussions in mainstream media with people who have said in the past that transwomen are male.

The only way to get anywhere with this is to have the discussion openly and in public. Any meaningful debate needs to start at the point of divergence of opinions which is "what is the definition of woman / man?" then (or at the same time) look at why we have sex segregation and women's rights and see if there are areas where we can find a compromise.

However the TRAs know the majority of people don't really believe "transwomen are women" but they might be willing to say that out of kindness / politeness / political expediency. In fact, TransMediaWatch are currently lobbying the parliamentary committee looking at hate crimes and proposing that the term "trans identified male" should be considered a hate crime (I'm sure you know about this as they have described Mumsnet as particularly problematic).

Any meaningful debate on this topic has to allow us the language to name the issue and that means saying that transwomen are male / men. There are circumstances where this might be hurtful to individuals but it is also hurtful to women to say that being a woman is just a feeling in an individual's head (male or female).

Most often when people say transwomen are male / men on this site it is:

• at a general level and not directed at any particular individual
• in response to a trans identified male insisting on being called a woman or female
• in response to a trans identified male exhibiting male socialisation, particularly demanding women comply with their demands or provide them with support

The TRAs don't want this discussion to happen and they won't be happy with any other than MNHQ's complete acquiescence to their position, which means a total shut down of any discussion of trans issues. Once that's started, are we going to see them going after gender neutral language for MN's campaigns?

Hope you can take this into consideration and continue to let this discussion go on in a meaningful manner.

Well, that's a bit contradictory of Shon, given the current keenness to silence Mumsnetters who prioritise biology over gender. And it's certainly the opposite of the nodebate / no-platforming philosophy.

But look what Shon really thinks! Shon is enlightened! Shon RETWEETED this by not Voltaire