Request: Posters should need to have been registered for 30 days before being able to post on FWR

In fact if someone told me this idea originated from a TRA troll I wouldn't be surprised. It weakens us. It silences gender critical women.

It's a terrible idea IMO.

There are other ways to solve this that don't involve self censorship - which is what this is.

If a poster is genuine then they will understand the need to wait

But what if they don't have a month to wait?

What if they are dealing with a situation that's urgent e.g. women coming here for advice because:

• her job is under threat and she's facing disciplinary for gender critical views
• her daughter has just announced she's trans
• her husband is a TIM and she needs some emotional support, now, not in a month
• she's just found out her sin is buying hormones off the internet and his school is supporting this - what can she say to the school?
• her daughter's school is planning a session on trans based on materials from Mermaids - how can she object?
• a transman has started feeling regret and is thinking of detransitioning and wants to discuss it here as everyone she knows won't understand.

This subject is not just an intellectual argument, it's an issue that's women people in real life, who need the support of other women.

I support the idea of doing something about the trolls but NOT at the expense of free speech and debate.

The trolls are winning if we do this - not only would we be restricting trolls but also women who need the support of other women.

A newbie tag and night mods would be an excellent idea for example.

Oh, I like the idea of a 'newbie' flag. Good suggestion, Barracker.

I support the idea of new posters having to wait 30 days before creating a thread in FWR. I also agree with the idea of having to have made a number of undeleted posts before being allowed to participate in FWR.

If a poster is genuine then they will understand the need to wait.

MNHQ, would you consider hiring one or two night moderators? I know that this would have an impact on the budget but it would help to address the problem of trolling.

Thank you.

I support the 30 day delay
AND DEFINITELY
a minimum number of posts elsewhere on the board
AND also
the 'newbie' flag

My preference is a combination of all 3

FWR is such a target for trolls and people with less than honest intentions it really deserves a minor bar to immediate posting for brand new members.

Plenty of other forums have this slight deterrent to certain boards.

I disagree with a 30 day delay in being able to post. I think a better option would be a way to ID brand new accounts. Such as a user name with 'newbie' and a warning icon added to it for the first 30 days. That would leave screenshots pointless

This is a much better idea!

@RivkaMumsnet please can you include this idea.

Maybe we could have both. A newbie tag wherever people post and also a 30 day history.

But if someone wants to post an arsey screenshot, they don't even need the header to be honest. They can write a load of shit, screenshot it and upload to twitter.

I think the 30 day period will mean that the arsey screenshot mod will get very bored before their time's up.

I disagree with a 30 day delay in being able to post. I think a better option would be a way to ID brand new accounts. Such as a user name with 'newbie' and a warning icon added to it for the first 30 days. That would leave screenshots pointless.

Might it be feasible to allow new users to only post during the hours when MNHQ is able to moderate?

I agree in principle that applying a similar rule as they have for posting in the sex topic is a good idea, my concern would be that it's "Mumsnet" as a whole that's being painted as a wretched hive of villainy, so they'll just post their transphobic screen grab attempts in chat/aibu and just continue that way. With the added "bonus" of risking the MNers who avoid FWR for their own reasons getting annoyed...

The number of people that would qualify to post on FWR would hardly mean it's an echo chamber.

There are so many opinions in FWR already and the wider mumsnet, I don't see how it could be an echo chamber

Agree, and a minimum number of other posts before you can write on FWR.

Wouldn't it just turn fwr in to an echo chamber? Except that the discussion would probably just move to aibu or chat and probably get a wider variety of views but also lots of trolling.

I support this idea maybe combined with having to post a set number of posts elsewhere

Agree - same as the sex topic

Crochet Exactly. I have said this on a couple of the data leak threads and also before the breach here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3223397-Hours-when-MN-read-moderation-reports

Mumsnet is now too big to be relying on their customers to self police and protect the brand. All of The Night Watch (who are much appreciated, thank you NW) are volunteers with limited access and powers.

MN is now turning over several million pounds a year and it really is time they invested in some paid overnight staff. The money is there, at least as far as this The Financial Times report is concerned.

ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/13/2190074/mumsnet-a-bootstrapped-british-success/

I love MN and am very grateful it provides the space to discuss feminism, but it's time for HQ to get some proper protocols and protections in place.

Also agree

Agree

I'm not sure they would move elsewhere tbh.

They are aiming for a specific audience.

Troll posts would just die a death by volume of other issues on AIBU/Chat.

They’d probably just move to Chat or AIBU. Agree that moderation is the key to stamping on this.