Jeremy Corbyn - webchat to discuss self-identification of sex

Keep up the good work

hipsterfun

Haha!

The online me must come across so different to the real me.

I'm irreverent, I like toilet humour, I drink, I occasionally smoke roll ups, I wear make up and swear like a navvy.

I'd love to see this happen, but he isn't stupid enough to do it. Men like JC know that there are too many logical consistencies in the trans agenda, but they just don't care enough about women to argue it.

Datun, I’d be prepared to bet he’s totally shitting it at the thought of dealing with you

It's a great idea. And if he was only interested in informing himself, it would work.

But I suspect, he simply won't want to answer any of those questions.

Which is why, frankly, I don't think he will come at all.

The most significant part of this will be him being asked and refusing.

In light of his assertion that he will speak to women.

Would it be possible, instead of presenting him with a thread full of random posts, for MN Towers together with the most knowledgeable posters to assemble a list of key questions in one post, in a locked thread, for him to work his way down at the start?

YY to this - a list to work through which is properly structured & ordered.

Otherwise he'll just pick the easy ones & dodge the tricky ones whilst lazily dismissing posters as transphobes.

One of the problems I gave with all trans-related discussion is that two issues are continually conflated by politicians etc:
The self identification thing whereby you can have a cock & balls & a full beard & say 'I'm now Lulu' and the actual trans people who have put themselves through loads.
Either way, neither is 'a woman' though - they are 'trans-women'.

Ditch the trans-women are women mantra & accept that women & trans-women are not the same.

Would it be possible, instead of presenting him with a thread full of random posts, for MN Towers together with the most knowledgeable posters to assemble a list of key questions in one post, in a locked thread, for him to work his way down at the start?

Then, if there’s time, open the thread to follow-up questions.

Yes, I agree. Although 'site stuff' isn't an immediate magnet.

It would be great if HQ would hover over the ban button of newly registered members. But I don't know how they could that from a practical point of view.

So, I'm officially, right here, asking (begging) MNHQ to suspend new registrations for the duration. Starting at the point 'behind the scenes' at which JC agrees to participate.

They may already be plenty of TAs already registered, of course. Or, having read this, registering as we speak.

I hope MN will have a plan for all eventualities.

Think providing info and a list of concerns wi to start with needs to be done so we are all on the same page. This isn't just about toilets or feeling a bit funny around men in dresses.

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I've had a couple of thoughts.

One of them is that just asking a question maybe won't be sufficient.

I suspect that JC isn't being given any credible information about what is actually happening.

And I'm sure that either him or his team will review the thread afterwards.

So I intend to give him some information, including links, that he can digest further.

Then ask a question at the end.

If I remember rightly MNHQ will not allow individual posters to ask more than one question. You state your question before the chat starts. And can only add to it if he replies to it.

They are strict about enforcing rules and will suspend people for breaking them (my only claim to fame).

The other thing that has occurred to me is transactivists getting wind of this. They will register and try to derail.

If JC wants to get the input of women, as he has stated, it's in his interests, as well as ours, that the discourse remains civil and informative.

I'd really, really hate to see the thread descend into chaos with multiple posts chanting transwomen are women.

So, I'm officially, right here, asking (begging) MNHQ to suspend new registrations for the duration. Starting at the point 'behind the scenes' at which JC agrees to participate.

"We have suspended new registrations due to the upcoming webchat with Jeremy Corbyn. Registrations will resume when the thread has finished".

Or something similar.

I would ask something about what sort of safety assessment is being done on the impact of allowing men into women's spaces, particularly changing rooms and toilets. (I'm starting to think the prisons issue, although important at first glance may be a bit of a red herring, but need to look more closely at MOJ guidelines)

Problems are arising in toilets and changing rooms now.

So: will there any unbiased research into the rate at which TIMs offend, bearing in mind the research that shows they offend at the same rate as men? Surely this worrying data needs to be looked into before self-ID goes ahead.

And: what protections will there be in place for women who feel uncomfortable and threatened by an incident, but are afraid of the backlash of being accused of being transphobic?

Lancelottie I agree the question might be at risk of accusations of bigotry. The trouble is everything is at risk of that, and is shutting the debate down.

I wouldn't, Empire. I think that'll get it shot down immediately with 'But unlike those examples, gender dysphoria is a very real medical condition and has been diagnosed for decades' , even though the political parties are also all busy saying that it isn't a condition, doesn't need diagnosis and isn't medical.

Empire I think there are Labour Party plans for self-ID on race and being disabled (for collection of internal party data) already.

Great question- am assuming he will say no to age, so what's the difference?

I would ask:

"If we are allowed to self-identify as women, what else can we self-identify as? Is this restricted to sex or can we self ID our race and age as well? My mother is 70 but looks 60 and always got on well with 60 yr olds. Can she have her birth certificate amended to show the age she feels?"

"If not, why not?"

Another yes please.

Yes please. I note from Twitter that nearly 5000 memberships of the Labour Party elapsed or were terminated last week, the highest fall since Corbyn became leader. This could be because some of them were one-year memberships taken out shortly after his election that have now ended because the member never renewed, but I don't think it's coincidental that last week Labour started suspending women members associated with the crowdfunder to pay for legal advice on the implications of self-ID for all women's shortlists.

If I had a membership, I'd certainly have cancelled it by now. They need to start listening to women, and I mean really listening, not just nodding and smiling.

Oh I'm going to be both. I'm going to maintain and benefit from my female privilege and be Jeremy Corbyn, that's how it's done, it seems. On Fridays I'll also be a giraffe called Ian, and on Feb 29ths I'll be Boris Johnson.

None of which is ridiculous at all. Oh, and when I feel like it, I'm going to self identify as a disabled person so I can use their loos. If I'm hungry, I'll identify as a homeless person and go to a soup kitchen. It's my right. After all, I'm Jeremy Corbyn.

'And if he can't do a webchat, how about I self identify as Jeremy Corbin and speak for him in the way transwomen apparently can speak for me, because if that's perfectly fine, let's all identify as Jeremy Corbin'

I'd much rather stick with being a woman than being Jeremy Corbyn. That way, I have my integrity and my principles intact, and I don't have youngsters singing stupid embarrassing chants at me everywhere I go

Adding my support to this too

The Labour Party are losing my vote on this issue at the moment, so I'd like a webchat too.

And if he can't do a webchat, how about I self identify as Jeremy Corbin and speak for him in the way transwomen apparently can speak for me, because if that's perfectly fine, let's all identify as Jeremy Corbin. [Spartacus]

Oh my god, the pressure!

Believe me, I will be asking questions. (Should he come...)

I will deffo talk a good talk, but don't always have the background and analysis stats like people such as pencils, donkey, Barraker and many others.

Plus, I really can't see you lot sitting on your hands!!

#teameffort

Frankly, Jeremy Corbyn needs to hear from women. All of them. The only expertise you need is that you are one.

I shall go off to formulate incisive and impressively erudite questions.

#DreamTeam