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Is there a DV policy?

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Battleax · 14/01/2018 17:58

Latest example of everyone going a bit potty;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3139165-My-husband-just-strangled-me-in-front-of-our-kids?pg=1&order=

I know MNHQ have posted on the thread, but there are still posts standing that say "He will definitely kill you" and "He will absolutely kill you". Plus a general air of shouty hysteria.

It's not helpful in a RL domestic violence situation to have people getting over excited like that.

Hopefully OP is long gone and engaging with RL services but I've noticed it's a bit of an escalating trend lately, and it's frankly a bit crap.

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Weezol · 16/01/2018 20:45

Battleax I share your concerns - it's hard enough for those suffering EA/DV to reach out for help as it is. I worry that posters have left threads and stayed in dangerous situations because they are already vulnerable and then get a hammering on a site they thought they would be safe on.

The thread you've referenced is particularly awful. I try to be charitable and assume those posting 'he will kill' are lucky enough to have never experienced abuse, but it's getting hard to keep myself in check.

I don't engage them in a discussion because I don't want to derail the thread, but as a lot of EA/DV threads pop up at night, the Nightwatch need their modding remit expanded urgently.

Battleax · 16/01/2018 20:33

And, yes, the first mention of DV and everyone is screaming "leave now, never go back l, won't you think of the children, wah, wah, wah".

To a woman who has just been attacked.

It's unseemly, its rubbernecking, it's unhelpful, it's not in an assault victim's best interest and it's just too much to be yelling at someone in shock.

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Battleax · 16/01/2018 20:29

YY to all of that Bertie.

I meant to come back when there were no distractions at all, to think this through but, off the cuff;

I think dramatics need to be deleted as policy.

"You're going to die" (as opposed to "you're at high risk of fatal attack...") could certainly be deleted as policy.

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BertieBotts · 16/01/2018 20:04

Battleax I know exactly what you mean and I have noticed a similar trend recently.

I suppose it is just a part of the site getting larger and moving faster. But time was that the DV related advice on here was fantastic - a mix of serious and supportive, friendly and encouraging and coaxing. There was a generally outstanding understanding of DV and it was treated sensitively. Posters would sit up all night to talk through a woman's distress - I've done it myself from both ends, as I learned from the wealth of experience here and left my own situation. And I think you're absolutely right that in the past it was common for poor advice to be drowned out by the reasoned majority but the problem is that this is not a majority any more.

There have always, unfortunately, been these extremely distressing posts on occasion where a poster has recently been victim of serious violence, and they do attract a much more shocked response - which is fair because it is shocking! But the difference seems to be that lately there is a trend for respondents to either post and run - add the shocked/judgemental comment and never come back which makes it difficult for posters who are actually trying to support the OP over a sustained period to get their comments seen. Or the other trend I'm much less a fan of is posters who just keep posting the same, can I say goady? responses as though they expect the OP to simply have a change of heart immediately and go right then, I'll leave, I've obviously got this all wrong - it doesn't work like that and when you're working with DV victims it is really unhelpful to keep hounding them for results as though they are a character in a soap opera you want an update for!

I don't know how a MN policy could actually address this issue though. Perhaps a topic for a thread on Relationships, and if any of us old-timers Grin have any suggestions we could come back and share them? You can't, unfortunately, stop people from using others' distress and hardship as entertainment, and it would be difficult to know where to draw the line - because sometimes such "encouragement" is well-meaning but misinformed, whereas sometimes it seems almost vampirish.

I do wonder if restarting the old longer-running threads about EA support would be of any use? I used to find them quite useful to refer posters to who did not feel ready to address their own situation and perhaps felt a bit attacked on individual threads. Perhaps a few of us could volunteer to keep those threads going?

KateMumsnet · 15/01/2018 11:18

Sorry you found it flippant - it certainly wasn't intended to be. Please do come back if you have suggestions for how MNHQ should deal with situations like this - we'd be very happy to consider them.

Battleax · 15/01/2018 11:09

That's actually pretty flippant of you @KateMumsnet and you've completely missed the point.

On the off chance there's any genuine interest at MNHQ about what is best practice in terms of not scaring the living shit out of already terrified women who disclose DV;

www.refuge.org.uk/get-help-now/help-someone-you-care-about-2/

I know it's not the same context, but really poor, alienating, inaccurate dramatics is becoming the standard response on the boards.

It's an issue in the same way handling suicidal posters is an issue. But like I say, I'm rushing just now.

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Battleax · 15/01/2018 10:59

and in fact we don't often get reports that posters are being advised to take DV more seriously than they should.

No that's NOT it.

Being told you're definitely going to be murdered, isn't good advice from someone "taking DV seriously".

I'll have to come back later when I have time to go through it.

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KateMumsnet · 15/01/2018 10:51

Hi Battleax,

Thanks for raising this. As you know, we only see threads when they're reported to us - and in fact we don't often get reports that posters are being advised to take DV more seriously than they should.

We do appreciate, though, that this is a very sensitive area, so we remind people that other posters mightn't be qualified to offer 'official' advice at the top of relationship threads. We also direct them to our domestic violence web guide for useful links to real life support (and sometimes, we'll jump on to post the links ourselves).

As with other topics, we generally find that other Mumsnetters are very quick to chip in where they think OP is being poorly advised - but please, if you feel any individual posts cross the line, do report them to us using the report button. We're always very happy to take a look.

Thanks

MNHQ

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