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Is there a DV policy?

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Battleax · 14/01/2018 17:58

Latest example of everyone going a bit potty;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3139165-My-husband-just-strangled-me-in-front-of-our-kids?pg=1&order=

I know MNHQ have posted on the thread, but there are still posts standing that say "He will definitely kill you" and "He will absolutely kill you". Plus a general air of shouty hysteria.

It's not helpful in a RL domestic violence situation to have people getting over excited like that.

Hopefully OP is long gone and engaging with RL services but I've noticed it's a bit of an escalating trend lately, and it's frankly a bit crap.

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TinWhistleTunes · 04/02/2018 22:51

I'm so glad you've talked to the people who really know about this.

Mumsnet exists because it gives support. Women who are struggling ask each other for information. ..

Information is power 😀

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 29/01/2018 07:48

That's great, thank you

ALLIS0N · 26/01/2018 15:43

Good response MN towers .

And well done Battleax for raising the issue.

Star all round

BertieBotts · 26/01/2018 15:34

That's great! Thank you.

Weezol · 26/01/2018 15:34

Thank you.

Battleax · 26/01/2018 15:31

That's fabulous. Thanks. Will do Smile

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KateMumsnet · 26/01/2018 15:13

Hi all

Coming back to let you know that we've spoken to Women's Aid who are going to help us put together a page of information about the various things that MNers should be aware of when supporting women to leave - including explaining why it's not always possible or advisable to do so immediately.

Please could you let us know if/when you see this happening again? We'll point people in the direction of the new page once it's live (may take a month or two) but in the meantime, we're happy to make the point that hectoring is not in the spirit. With luck this will diffuse things.

Thanks all for bringing this up - very helpful.
MNHQ

Weezol · 17/01/2018 21:42

In my area, the police remove the aggressor either to another address or the cells depending on the aggressors behaviour and history.

They work with the charity Staying Put to try and help victims stay in the home, changing locks etc, making vulnerable persons reports to SS if necessary.

They have connections with Women's Aid and Rape crisis.

I naively thought this was a UK wide approach - it isn't but it should be as it's actually more economically viable in a time of budget cuts.

MynewnameisKy · 17/01/2018 17:50

I do think though that the police in different areas react differently and where it might be better in one town to phone the police and seek a restraining order it might not in a different one.

In addition each situation is individual and therefore real life information is far more valuable.

These are very tricky situations and the difference between supporting and advising isn't always clear.

I do think there are times/ situations when run for your life is unfortunately the best advice.

I am not sure if that all makes sense outside of my head.

Estellanpip · 17/01/2018 17:43

In my experience, a poster in those shoes isn't posting for advice unless it's advice specifically asked for, like where they would stand legally on certain things, for example.
What they really want, is SUPPORT. What they need, is to have an outlet. Most of the time, it is impossible or unthinkable, to actually tell someone in real life for fear of being judged, told what to do, not believed, provoking an angry response when well-meaning but unhelpful advice isn't taken straightaway.
So you come here and get what? All of the above. I wouldn't do it. I've been put off.

Battleax · 17/01/2018 17:24

You express it very clearly tin 💐

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TinWhistleTunes · 17/01/2018 17:22

I experienced this many years ago, under a different name (and using a completely different account and email address).

I asked for help from mners because my husband had just hit me in front of the children, and I had called the police. I was told to leave IMMEDIATELY, and warned about all sorts of dire consequences if I didn't. It frightened the life out of me.

Advising me to leave in the middle of the night and go to a hotel wasn't helpful. I had no money. A refuge would have been dreadful, and so stressful for the children. My eldest had special needs which meant I needed to stay in my house (eventually I got an occupation order, and I'm still there 3 years later). There were no friends or family members I could stay with that night.

I got so busy telling everybody on mumsnet to calm down, that I almost started minimising the situation. They were telling me I was seriously physically unsafe that night, and I knew I wasn't - I knew that ex-dh had burned himself out with that single act of violence, and that I had time to make a decent escape plan. I nearly failed to recognise the actual risks - which were increasing emotional abuse for the children, threats of suicide and all sorts of other weirdness.

I've learned a lot about domestic abuse since that time. Being strangled is a risk factor. Threats to kill are a risk factor! (I saw a thread today where an op disclosed threats to kill, and some posters were advising her simply to change locks and throw his stuff out, without making it clear that a police record of his abuse would help to protect her and the children in the long run).

Maybe I'm not being very coherent, but this is a subject dear to my heart. I've seen (and experienced) some fantastic support on mn, and some very sensible advice, but have also seen some quite hysterical posts which aren't helpful. A woman who is on the process of realising that her partners behaviour isn't acceptable is not always ready to take immediate action, and real life people with some training (women's aid, ncdv etc) are probably much better placed to help her anyway.

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 17/01/2018 16:57

To be honest morris I don't know. But I think, if I had been on mumsnet at the time, posted, and got told "if you don't LEAVE NOW, he's going to kill you" I would have absolutely fallen apart, more than I already was doing. I wish I knew what the 'right' advice was, but I know that some of the comments on the above link weren't it

BertieBotts · 17/01/2018 16:50

No, I don't think so, because posters don't usually want to think of themselves as being in an abusive relationship.

DioneTheDiabolist · 17/01/2018 16:28

I agree with all the posters on this thread. Often the "advice" on threads about DV is unhelpful, bordering on abusive. Sad I'm glad MNHQ is going to take advice from Refuge and WA. Would an Abusive Relationships forum, with a big fat sticky at the top be helpful?

MorrisZapp · 17/01/2018 16:23

What advice would have helped you in that situation, whywont?

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 17/01/2018 16:20

The thing is, as well, is that this advice isn't always helpful. In my case, police were called, he was arrested, and out of the house. Fine. But he got bailed the next day...and came back. I logged every single incident with the police afterwards, and although he was still on bail, they did nothing. I was advised to "go and stay with friends". Yes..because that's helpful isn't it

Battleax · 17/01/2018 15:53

Exactly.

Can you imagine someone posting about an alcohol addiction and being screamed at to "STOP drinking NOW!" "Pour it away NOW OP. You're definitely going to die!!!!"

Or even someone posting about being mugged being screamed at?

I think Berties right. She and some old timers need a corner somewhere to speak sense.

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Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 17/01/2018 15:44

Yep..I've noticed this as well. Normally, the first post immediately after the op says. Police . NOW. ...and subsequent posters jump on this trend. It's never easy to get police involved, and never just as easy as LEAVE. NOW. I've been in a nasty DV situation which resulted in a restraining order. It was NOT that easy to "LEAVE. NOW" as some posters seem to think. For a start, it was MY house !!!!

Battleax · 17/01/2018 15:34

Here's another disgraceful thread. Slightly different issue from "you're going to definitely die". This one is "She's stupid not to leave straight away."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3142290-Footballer-Jon-Flanaghan-threw-his-girlfriend-against-a-wall-and-kicked-her-while-she-was-on-the-ground?watched=1&msgid=74887488#74887488

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Battleax · 17/01/2018 15:33

Thank you very much @KateMumsnet.

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KateMumsnet · 17/01/2018 12:27

Hi all, and thanks for all your thoughts - I'm clear now about what the problem is and can completely see your positions. I think the best thing is if we give it some serious thought here and come back to you in a couple of weeks or so. We've found over time that there are often knock-ons when we make changes and in such a serious area I think we'd feel remiss if we didn't give ourselves time to think them through. We'll also get back in touch with our friends at Refuge and Women's Aid for their thoughts.

Thanks again for your input - I'll come back to this thread to update.

Battleax · 17/01/2018 10:17

I'm relieved I'm not the only one who can see it.

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Weezol · 17/01/2018 09:23

Any response MNHQ?

Estellanpip · 16/01/2018 22:46

I thought the same thing, Battleax.